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PamM
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posted 01-19-2006 07:22 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A BBC news reports today, states that a message in a bottle thown into Morecambe Bay, Lancs [on England's NW coast] last July, has fetched up in a boatyard in Perth, WA, some 5 months later & having travelled 9,000m. Article here.

I am sceptical.. is this possible? I recall an incident some years ago re plastic ducks escaping from a freighter in the Pacific eventually finding their way through the Bering Strait & on to NE, but that took 10 years or so, half in the ice.

I cannot imagine that in 5 months a bottle can float to Australia from the UK?

Pam


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Linerrich
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posted 01-19-2006 07:43 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

I am sceptical.. is this possible?

I cannot imagine that in 5 months a bottle can float to Australia from the UK?

Pam


This would average out to about 65 miles a day--pretty good time, even for a sailing vessel! It seems suspicious that the bottle was coincidentally found in a boatyard, too!

I think someone or something helped this bottle along on its journey!

Rich


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bulbousbow
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posted 01-19-2006 08:43 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Also from the BBC way back in 2000...

quote:
Message in bottle returns to author
October 10, 2000

A message in a bottle has turned up in New Zealand, forty-four years after it was thrown from a ship into the Indian Ocean.

The author of the message left Austria in 1956 to travel the world, and threw five bottles into the sea containing "lonely hearts" messages, which appealed "for a woman from the Pacific".

He eventually settled in Wellington -- seventy-kilometres from where his message was found.

BBC


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bulbousbow
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posted 01-19-2006 08:48 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I threw a bottle into the Indian Ocean somewhere between Fremantle (Australia) and Cape Town (South Africa) way back in 1973. Haven't heard anything yet, but knowing my luck I reckon it sank.

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PamM
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posted 01-19-2006 01:42 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After having checked out the prevailing winds and ocean currents, I have decided that there is no way this bottle would have got to Australia, ever! It would not be able to get down west Africa and around the cape. Someone took it in their own yacht I expect, as a joke, and dumped it in the Perth boatyard.

Only another 11 years to wait Bulbousbow.. then it might be found back in Fremantle

Pam


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Brian_O
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posted 01-19-2006 06:23 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
It would not be able to get down west Africa and around the cape. Someone took it in their own yacht I expect, as a joke, and dumped it in the Perth boatyard.

Pam


Oh, ye of little faith! Maybe it went via the Suez Canal.

Brian


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Linerrich
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posted 01-20-2006 07:48 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This story made the national news today, on Good Morning America. Everything was reported as a matter of fact--they even showed a graphic, tracing the route from the UK, down the West Coast of Africa, round Cape of Good Hope and straight across to Perth, just like a route-map for a P.& O. steamer!

No one questioned how a bottle could travel so far, so quickly, and conveniently arrive at a boatyard.

Rich


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PamM
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posted 01-20-2006 07:04 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
An oceanographer has now advised the BBC that the bottle must have had a lift. See here:-

"But oceanographer Peter Challenor said it could not have travelled unaided.

"I think it is extremely unlikely," said Mr Challenor, of the National Oceanography Centre, in Southampton.

He said the world's currents would have prevented the bottle getting to Australia.

"It has probably got a lift caught up in a ship and released somehow," said Mr Challenor."

Pam


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posted 01-21-2006 07:25 AM      Profile for RCI 20   Email RCI 20   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
A BBC news reports today, states that a message in a bottle thown into Morecambe Bay, Lancs [on England's NW coast] last July, has fetched up in a boatyard in Perth, WA, some 5 months later & having travelled 9,000m. Article here.

I am sceptical.. is this possible? I recall an incident some years ago re plastic ducks escaping from a freighter in the Pacific eventually finding their way through the Bering Strait & on to NE, but that took 10 years or so, half in the ice.

I cannot imagine that in 5 months a bottle can float to Australia from the UK?

Pam


Impossible
But a nice try....

RCI 20


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 01-21-2006 09:12 AM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
well, i am not so sure that would happen, but mabe leave a shadow of a doubt.....mostlikely human interference..
cruiseshipluver

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bulbousbow
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posted 01-22-2006 09:00 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
cruiseshipluver wrote:
...most likely human interference...

Spot on! How about ballast water? Could it be possible it was sucked in and spat out?

Pam, I thought what you posted was the whole article (or the main bits), but after reading it this was what interested me:

"It could have got into the bilge but even then most ships have filters."

Maybe this ship didn't have the filters. Mmmh.

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