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Cambodge
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posted 08-20-2005 08:10 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am preparing my "trip report" involving both trains in Canada and ships in the United States. I made a significant detour in my trip so I could ride the venerable "S.S. Badger" across Lake Michigan.

Because of security hangups I could not visit the engine room - no surprise. But the minimal "specs" furnished the passengers refered to "Uniflow" engines as power. Before I try some deep research into google, can anyone tell me just what is a "Uniflow" engine?

I believe it is a variant of a reciprocating engine, and is not a turbine. Yet "Badger" was vibrationless, unlike some steam powered vessels on which I have traveled, in which the cycling of the pistons can be noted.

The combustion system feeding her Foster-Wheeler boilers produced absolutely minimum smoke. No ash or cinders anywhere aboard ship, and her smoke plume disappated within a few hundred feet of the ship.

More on this on other topic forums here, but I would like to know more about Uniflow engines. I assume they are too large for application to steam locomotives, as I have never heard of them in rail use.


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Ernst
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posted 08-20-2005 08:40 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Curiouse as I am, I did the google search for you:
(never heard th expression UNAFLOW or UNIFLOW)

SS BADGER - UNAFLOW ENGINES

But I guess you already know this link.

[ 08-20-2005: Message edited by: Ernst ]


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Ernst
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posted 08-20-2005 08:51 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another ships with such an engine:

Southdown Challenger

and a book:

Uniflow book


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Linerrich
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posted 08-20-2005 08:55 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cambodge:
[QB]

The combustion system feeding her Foster-Wheeler boilers produced absolutely minimum smoke. No ash or cinders anywhere aboard ship, and her smoke plume disappated within a few hundred feet of the ship.
QB]


An interesting aspect of BADGER, as well as her sister SPARTAN and the other Lakes carriers, is that they are (or were) coal burners!

Rich


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PamM
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posted 08-20-2005 11:11 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Badger is still coal fired according to the various links. All make interesting reading, thanks. I was trying to find out what happened to Spartan.

"After Michigan-Wisconsin Transportation Company ceased car ferry operations in 1990, Conrad risked his own money and purchased the S.S. Badger, its sister ship the Spartan and the City of Midland to form Lake Michigan Carferry Service. It was a fitting return to a boyhood love." from ssbadger.com.

There are reports in the early 90's that she was remaining laid up at Ludington being cannibalised for Badger parts, then

"In 1994 the Contessa Cruise Lines of Eden Prairie, Minn. made a purchase option for the "SPARTAN". The purpose was to convert it to a cruise and gambling vessel. In January of 1996 the Contessa Cruise Lines let the option to purchase expire." from here.

Then I found a photo of her still laid up in 2003 in Ludington at Cate's Home Pages, in which she appears to be in pretty good condition considering the length of time she has sat there?

So is she still laid up in Ludington, Cambodge?

Pam

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Linerrich
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posted 08-20-2005 11:38 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My understanding is that SPARTAN is still laid up in Ludington, being cannibalized for parts for BADGER. I get up there every couple of years (I was born and raised in Michigan) to see my folks. Grew up crossing the ferries to Wisconsin and back. I sailed on one of the last crossings of CITY OF MIDLAND 41, late summer of 1988; what an experience those ships were!

Rich


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PamM
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posted 08-20-2005 12:02 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Linerrich, do you know what ship it is tied up next to Spartan in the image?

Pam


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PamM
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posted 08-20-2005 01:16 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ss Badger Postcard & detail from the reverse:-


The setting [rising?] sun shows off a bit of patchwork there.

Pam


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Linerrich
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posted 08-20-2005 02:54 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Linerrich, do you know what ship it is tied up next to Spartan in the image?

Pam


The other vessel is the ARTHUR K. ATKINSON, a ferry for the Ann Arbor Railroad System. Originally built in 1917, she was taken out of service in 1982 and laid up in Kewaunee, Wisconsin. In 1994 she was towed to Ludington, Michigan, where she remained until 2003 when she was towed to Detroit to be scrapped.

Here's a postcard view of her in happier days:

Rich

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Cambodge
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posted 08-21-2005 06:10 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Spartan" is indeed laid up next to "Badger" at the company piers. I am told that there were bids to convert her to a gambling ship, but nothing firm. I was told that the line has no plans to return her to service. I shall post photos of them both tomorrow.

Thanks for the uniflow responses, which I have not had time to persue as of yet.

Yes, Pam, "Spartan" also has the look of having been assembled from many steel plates, which, of course, she was. It is just the joining lines seem to show up more than most vessels I can recall.


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Linerrich
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posted 08-21-2005 06:52 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Camboge,

Great Lakes ship historian Art Chavez has published 2 excellent books: "S.S. BADGER" and "S.S. CITY OF MIDLAND 41." They are mainly photographic histories of these vessels, complete with detailed information, schematics, and photos of their Skinner Unaflow Engines.

More info on obtaining these books at www.arcadiapublishing.com

Rich


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moodus2
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posted 08-22-2005 04:52 AM      Profile for moodus2   Email moodus2   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i wonder what if any restrictions are placed on ss badger in reguards to using coal
as fuel ? could someone build a
coal burning cruiseship and not
be effected by epa regulations?
are there regulations for burning coal for marine transportation ?

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PamM
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posted 09-17-2012 02:01 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It's been some time since ss BADGER has had an airing. I note from various news reports that her permit for dumping ash in Lake Michigan is up for renewal in December. People for and people against - what does anyone think the outcome will be?

Pam


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timb
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posted 09-18-2012 12:24 PM      Profile for timb     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If it's up to our current EPA I am suspect that this would be renewed. They have no love for any type of coal and also create a lot of regulations with unintended consequences. For example they are considering a regulation requiring a minimum purchase of 4 or 5 gallons of fuel if it contains ethanol. No one considered motorcycles that have smaller tanks or small containers for lawnmowers etc. I hope I'm wrong as I think the Badger is a special treasure
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PamM
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posted 09-25-2012 07:59 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems she is in demand and has extended her season

Pam


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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 10-23-2012 11:13 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
ss Badger Postcard & detail from the reverse:-


The setting [rising?] sun shows off a bit of patchwork there.

Pam


It's not patches on her hull; it's just where her hull rubs against the pilings when she comes into her berth. The creosote on the pilings dulls the paint. I saw her arrive and then depart from Ludington just a few weeks ago, and she was looking good.


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posted 09-14-2013 12:36 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some Good News

Pam

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