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Linerdan
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posted 08-14-2004 08:35 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gday all.......I admit i have never been on QM2 but with so many numerous topics on the matter ,im curious to hear feedback on what you think could or should be changed at her 1st refit.I myself think that her funnel is way to small for the streamline design of the ship.What would you change if you could?........Dan.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 08-14-2004 09:49 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would change her hull livery a bit. I would lower the white painted portion by one deck and this would allow for a upward sweep of federal grey paint towards the bow. This would enable the illusion of sheer to her hull (similar to SS France-even though her's was part sheer and part painted illusion). The funnel's height restriction I would guess is set in stone, but it could be longer. As per another Cruise Talk member's suggestion, I would also install a steel bar across her aft twin uptakes ala Rotterdam V and install a flagpole to hang a huge British Ensign. I find the current flag at her stern to be out of proportion to her immense size. I think she need a larger flag at her stern while in port. Other than that, she is great.
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desirod7
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posted 08-14-2004 11:34 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There would be no fake wood anywhere.

Kings Court
I would have each section of the Kings Court in a different color scheme. It is confusing now and one never knows where they are.

I would remove the alcoves near the windows and have a open huge window wall along the length. The view of the sea is blocked. The alcoves are jammed and the center of the place with no ocean view is empty.

Golden Lion Pub: Remove the strip ceiling with a pressed tin one.

On Deck 12, the tinted wind screens should be replaced with clear ones. They disconnect one from the ocean.



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Linerdan
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posted 08-15-2004 02:01 AM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
lasuvidaboy:Loved the idea about your paint.It would help put more of a dramatic look to her bow.
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Linerdan
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posted 08-15-2004 02:35 AM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
On Deck 12, the tinted wind screens should be replaced with clear ones. They disconnect one from the ocean.

Hi desirod7 was the idea to tint them just to stop the reflection from the sun onto to the sea going into ones eyes? , or did it serve another purpose as in colour co-ord the area?......Dan


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mec1
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posted 08-15-2004 02:54 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Having sailed on her, I would put doors on all the Public Rooms that currently open onto the central passageways and refurnish the chart room so that it simply has more seating capacity - it is impossible to get into the room at dinner time. I'd also try to provide G32 with alternative access so that the Queen's Room wasn't the only entrance. And I think the Pavilion Pool would benefit from a lot more greenery rather than the half hearted plants they have there now. Other than that - and the crossbar between the rear uptakes, I think she's lovely.
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desirod7
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posted 08-15-2004 06:35 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I use ray-bans and polarized sun-glasses whenever outside. With the sun at that strength over many years can onset cataracts.

Many people on board look through the sides of the glass to avoid the tinting.

quote:
Originally posted by Linerdan:
On Deck 12, the tinted wind screens should be replaced with clear ones. They disconnect one from the ocean.

Hi desirod7 was the idea to tint them just to stop the reflection from the sun onto to the sea going into ones eyes? , or did it serve another purpose as in colour co-ord the area?......Dan



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posted 08-15-2004 06:56 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I have wondered how the tinted wind shields would look when standing on the ship and it clearly doesn’t work. What is the most distracting is the small clear strip on the sides of the tinted part. If the whole wind shield was a continuous wall of this tinted glass (thus without the clear strips in between) people wouldn’t have minded or noticed it clearly as they do today.

That is the worst thing that can happen to a product, people adjusting their behaviour because of not carefully thought true design decision . It should be the other way around, a design is meant to adjust to the behaviour of people.

Onno


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sslewis
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posted 08-16-2004 01:36 PM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Desirod,
I remember your wonderful Version of a Vista ship for Cunard.
You placed the superstructures further aft, and basically made the rather blocky Vista into a liner!
QM2 needs a longer bow, and a redesigned bridge.
Go on, try it!

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posted 08-16-2004 04:15 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by mec1:
I'd also try to provide G32 with alternative access so that the Queen's Room wasn't the only entrance.

Good point! I'd go as far to say that there should be NO access via the Queens Room. G32 itself looks too 'Carnival' for my liking, I'd like to see something a little more tasteful like the QE2's 'Yacht Club'.

There really is something wrong with 'Kings Court's' layout. I just don't know how it could be improved?

The private fantail area for grill class is an obsticle and should be removed or at least altered.


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linerguy
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posted 08-16-2004 04:32 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The funnel is just about the maximun height it can be due to fitting under the V.N.

The tinted windows are an issue but, now that Onno points it out, it would be better have either clear glass or eliminate the openings it both ends on the different panes ... kinda like if you don't know what you're missing, you're less likely to notice.

I also agree that something should be done about King's Court; a different color scheme, better signage, etc. would all help. In fact, I think they should rip out the entire thing altogether and start over. There just has to be a better way to improve passenger flow throughout the room. I'd also eliminate the glass ceiling that looks up into King's Court from the atrium ... I'd like to see something more dramatic when I look up in the Grand Lobby.

I also like the idea of placing doors on rooms such as the Golden Lion, Sir Samuel's, the casino, etc.

Russ


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Waynaro
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posted 08-16-2004 10:46 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
I would change her hull livery a bit. I would lower the white painted portion by one deck and this would allow for a upward sweep of federal grey paint towards the bow. This would enable the illusion of sheer to her hull (similar to SS France-even though her's was part sheer and part painted illusion).
I like this idea Lasuvidaboy! Onno, do you mind doing a rendering of this livery if you have time? Thanks

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sslewis
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posted 08-18-2004 09:40 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Lowering her black hull will make her top heavy, as in QE2 when she got her penthouse and had her lifedavits painted white(instead of black).
IMO, lowering the bridge by one deck, and replace it by a slighty canted aft observation deck will dramatically improve the ship top heaviness.
In fact, flattening the strange bulwark above the bridge may be cheaper and more effective..
The whole forward block could be canted aft, by loosing a row or two of suites. It would give a longer bow..

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Onno
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posted 08-18-2004 11:05 AM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As ssLewis suggests a lowered bluck hull would make the complete superstructure look more top heavy. I have tried it some time ago. Also a painted sheer line along the hull would not wok, the hull holes interfere with this idea. The hull holes are dark from the inside, so they look like a black dotted line. In the bow and stern part the hull holes would be below the black painted sheer line and in the middle of the ship they would be above the sheer line. The hull holes are simply too much present for a painted sheer to have any confining effect. QE2 also has a painted sheer on a block based hull and superstructure, the difference is she can handle it because she does not have those massive hull holes but small portholes.

Onno

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Champlain
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posted 08-18-2004 05:01 PM      Profile for Champlain   Author's Homepage   Email Champlain   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About QM2's funnel :

The funnel is too short. So, why not add a retractable upper part which would be lowered to pass under the Verrazzano Narrows bridge ?
I think GALILEO GALILEI and GUGLIELMO MARCONI were equipped with such a feature and the result was not bad.
What do you think ?

Champlain


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Linerdan
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posted 08-18-2004 05:29 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Champlain:I like that idea , does anyone have any pics of this feature as in a before and after?.
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lasuvidaboy
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posted 08-18-2004 10:28 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Onno:
As ssLewis suggests a lowered bluck hull would make the complete superstructure look more top heavy. I have tried it some time ago. Also a painted sheer line along the hull would not wok, the hull holes interfere with this idea. The hull holes are dark from the inside, so they look like a black dotted line. In the bow and stern part the hull holes would be below the black painted sheer line and in the middle of the ship they would be above the sheer line. The hull holes are simply too much present for a painted sheer to have any confining effect. QE2 also has a painted sheer on a block based hull and superstructure, the difference is she can handle it because she does not have those massive hull holes but small portholes.

Onno

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I sketched it up in my office today and Onno you are correct. The sheer illusion paint job would not work. The more I studied QM2 from the side, her double row of 'hull holes' verandah openings in the white painted section reminded me of the double row of large portholes below the Promenade deck on the old QE1 and QM1.


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sslewis
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posted 08-24-2004 06:42 AM      Profile for sslewis   Author's Homepage   Email sslewis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About the funnel..
I think relocating the turbine housing will improve the ship bulky appearance.
The color scheme is disastrous too.
If the housing and air intake were painted grey or black, the bulk would go.
I have never seen Galileo or Marconi funnel folding pictures, can't wait!
Norwegian Dream have both funnel and mast folding fitted in Germany.
Hope Hapag Lloyd will get the contract!
When is QM2 supposed to dry dock?
That is an issue too!

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posted 08-29-2004 07:00 PM      Profile for 62france   Email 62france   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i got a couple ideas. Love the idea of sharpening the black line like the france. Leave the everything else exterior wise alone. Interior, thats a different story. first, britannia restaurant, only a small part, in the middle of the room rises 3 decks. Expand this space and make it bigger so more of the room rises 3 decks. Get ride of the color scheme of the room. Grand lobby, make the atrium bigger, how?, get rid of the cabins lining the top part of the atrium, getting rid of them will make the atrium bigger. Get rid of kings court or completely change it. Thats all i can think of, oh wait, get rid of fake wood and replace it with real wood, and marbel too.
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posted 09-01-2004 05:20 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

I would rebuild the whole stern section. This is the most ugly section off the ship. Its looks chaotic and whene i saw it fore the first time i could't believe that this part off the ships looks so uninteresting.

I would like to see a more QM (1) stern section.

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posted 09-01-2004 05:50 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No changes to the exterior as far as I'm concerned. As for the interior, there needs to be better access to the aft pool deck on Deck 8. As it is now, you must go down to Deck 7, then up a special staircase by the Princess Grill to Deck 8 and outside.... unless of course you cut through Todd English which is a no-no. I would also like to see a complete revamp of the so-called Boardwalk Cafe. This is a poor excuse for a hamburger grill. How about making it a true indoor/outdoor cafe as I originally imagined it would be? I was shocked when I discovered the "grill" was nothing more than a sterile buffet line, and the outdoor seating was a joke since it was usually too windy to sit and enjoy a meal.

I also agree that G32 should have another entrance besides the Queen's Lounge. I loved G32 and felt it absolutely belonged on QM2. It was one of the very best ship nightclubs I've experienced (space wise), and was very popular on several evenings. I really liked the atmosphere.

I had no problem with the King's Court. Once you got the hang of it I actually enjoyed it.

I wouldn't mind seeing something more done with the Winter Garden. I felt it belonged on a Disney ship. Too fake looking for my personal taste. I like the idea of an alternative spot for tea and cocktails, but the Winter Garden just didn't do it for me.

All in all minor adjustments. I LOVE QM2 and even if she stayed just as she is I would be very happy.

Ernie


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Hi Seas
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posted 10-05-2004 10:48 AM      Profile for Hi Seas   Email Hi Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too would like to see a taller stack. This could not be done due to one single bridge in the world. The Verrazano bridge that connects Brooklyn to Staten Island Can you imagine that was a factor in designing the ship?

To me it looks rather squat. A taller one would definately look a lot more stately.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-05-2004 11:19 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by hi Seas:
I too would like to see a taller stack. This could not be done due to one single bridge in the world.

No the stack cannot be taller, so this means the ship was designed too big in proportion to the stack!


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Johan
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posted 10-05-2004 11:48 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You are right,
it is because of that strange idea that also the "shape" of the funnel is part of a lines identity, that QM2 has this kind of funnel (and also Arcadia as the exQV)
Cunard had in its history only one ship with a similar, stack, the QE2, which was splendid for the ship as designed in the '60.
Colour, red/black/two black bands seems to me much more important : Brittannia - Mauretania-Queen Elizabeth - Caronia - Queen Elizabeth 2 had all different stacks, and were clearly cunard ships.
An elonguated funnel, a bit like the Princess ships, not high, but horizontally longer, would have been more in proportion with the ship, instead of this (visually) little stack.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-05-2004 12:42 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
You are right,
it is because of that strange idea that also the "shape" of the funnel is part of a lines identity..

Lets be honest, these days it is sometimes ONLY the funnel that provides any identity! Take away the funnels and many newbuilds would look ppretty similar.


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