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Topic: Normandie with 2 funnels

Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 03-31-2004 11:50 AM

Louy came to me with an interesting idea to see how Normandie would have looked like with two funnels, so I altered some shots and a side view of Normandie. Now she resembles a sort of Queen Elizabeth version of Normandie. I think if there ever was an evolved sister ship of Normandie then a two funnelled version would have been okay I guess.

Best, Onno

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Johan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4458

posted 03-31-2004 12:05 PM

Beautiful pictures, very strange.
Normandie seems smaller, but faster.
Her designer (Yourkevich ,) had plans and hopes, after the fire and salvaging of the hull, that she could be rebuilt in a twofunnelled liner.
This would have been the result...
Thanks.
J

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-31-2004 12:15 PM

I think if rebuilt as a twin funneled ship, she would have come out similar to Ile de France with the funnels pushed forward to line up with the original uptakes. She looks incredible as a twin funneled liner in those photos, like a French liner from the 1950s could have looked!

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linerguy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4289

posted 03-31-2004 01:10 PM

Onno:

Your graphic is FANTASTIC!

Just goes to prove: NORMANDIE, as a two or three stacker, was the most beautiful liner ever!

Stunning.

Russ

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 03-31-2004 03:01 PM

Onno she looks amazing.
It gave here lines more speed and grace. And maybe some off you disagree with me I think she looks much better with 2 funnels.

Good work Onno.

Greatings Ben.

[ 03-31-2004: Message edited by: Maasdam ]

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Michael534
First Class Passenger
Member # 2953

posted 03-31-2004 11:24 PM

Beautiful job, Onno! As Always!

She looks great with two funnels. She loses that "lumbering" look she had from certain angles. Especially in the pic of her from the port/bow.

If it wasn't for a single spark we might have had a chance to see this ship built

Your my new idol, Onno. You do amazing work!

Michael534

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Ðraikar
First Class Passenger
Member # 1153

posted 04-01-2004 01:39 AM

Wasn't the two real working funnels closer together ?

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-01-2004 01:32 PM

The working funnels were farther forward. I believe that had Normandie been rebuilt after WW2 into a 2 fuunel design her original exhaust uptakes would have been used producing a profile with the two stacks grouped towards the bow. The main mast could have been moved forward to balance the profile. Onno's pictures look so beautiful compared to what I think an actual rebuild would produce. Look at Ile de France after her 1946-49 refit to see what removing the third funnel could do. She looked a little off balance though much more modern with her larger streamlined stacks The French Line added an aft deck house to balance her profile to good effect.

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 04-01-2004 01:52 PM

Yes the original working funnels on Normandie where more forward located, I had Queen Elizabeth profile in mind when drawing up the 2 funnelled version. So actually this version could have been an improved sister ship of Normandie. Though 2 funnels make her look faster, I actually liked Normandie better with 3 funnels. Especially seen in an angle where the chunky funnels are all seen without any space in between. That way Normandie looked massive and powerful with a style of elegance.

Best, Onno

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Champlain
First Class Passenger
Member # 4344

posted 04-01-2004 01:59 PM

NORMANDIE with 6 funnels !
A very interesting study of liner NORMANDIE by famous French artist Albert SEBILLE has been recently rediscovered in France and has since circulated among small circles.
What is fantastic about this drawing in 3D is that SEBILLE, at one stage (in 1928 ?), proposed to install 6 identical funnels on the liner, 3 on each side of the sun-deck.
I have scanned this drawing whose original is to be restored.
I have tried to link it with my URL. If it doesn't work, please help me !
[IMG]http://www.81.48.102.181.com/C:/Mes documents/Mes images/Philippe/NORMANDIE_project_with_6_funnels_by_Albert_SEBILLE.PDD[/IMG]
Best regards,
Champlain

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 04-01-2004 03:34 PM

Hi Champlain,

Unfortunately your 6 funnelled Normandie version does not show.

I guess the idea of a first class space extending the full length of the ship was already present at that time. The only way to realise this feature is to let the uptakes go on either side of this area. A Normandie with three funnels on each side would have been a solution for realising this feature. The solution used on the real Normandie was to let the uptakes go on each side of the first class area and then come together into one enormous funnel. So instead of six funnels she ended up with only three.

Best, Onno

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-02-2004 04:37 AM

Bravo Onno!
At last, my Paquebot de reve!(Liners of dreams).
Only you could have mastered my thoughts!
I wonder if it would have been practical though?
The uptakes allowed the funels to be built abreast as the Bretagne project shows(yuk!).
Yet, I saw a wonderful blue glass lamp in Italy with a 6 funnels Normandie, all in line!
It just looked like the perfume bottle that was released again a few years ago!
Keep the good job for now,

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-02-2004 04:38 AM

BTW, Normandie would have been faster as less air drag!!!!!

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-02-2004 04:44 AM

Maitre Onno, please a few more things..

1- try more suites where the third funnel was, with a ssFrance patio at the upper stern?
2- try a ssLiberte-type funnels(those look a bit low to me)
3- well, go on, how about ssFrance funnels?(they will look fab without that angry bridge!)
Merci beaucoup,

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 04-02-2004 02:44 PM

Champlain mailed me the picture of the 6 funnelled version of Normandie, though the concept is interesting it is just a bit too much funnel for my taste.

Best, Onno

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linerguy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4289

posted 04-02-2004 03:47 PM

Onno:

Agree on all points....NORMANDIE 's actual three funnel design was fantastic and the six funnel design is, well, a bit too much (though it would have certainly been imposing).

IMO, there's not much one could have done to NORMANDIE's design to improve her. There were, however, a few alterations that, IMO, took away from her original beauty. The removal of the zig-zag benches on her aft deck, the replacement bridge wings Capt. Pugnet insisted on having, the removal of the NORMANDIE sign from her upper deck, and the enclosing of the under portion of the aft stairs were all mistakes in my book.

Still, even with these minor infractions, NORMANDIE was the ultimate.

Russ

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-05-2004 01:54 PM

I concurr with Russ, Normandie was perfect as built.
The bridge wings, aft decks Zig-Zags..
I bet they would have added wind breakers or extended the deck around the aft pool, and the ship would have looked like rmsQueen Elizabeth after 1966!
Amazing how little things can change a whole ship!
Well done Onno...
Now, Empress of Britain?

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Kelly D Payne
First Class Passenger
Member # 4205

posted 04-08-2004 09:40 PM

I think the normandie was the most beautiful ship ever built.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-15-2004 12:31 PM

Whilst strolling the markest near river Seine in Paris, I was horrified at how much Normandie toys could sell!
Only grey and white hair kids bought them!
Almost wanted to age prematurely, as for Saga Rose!
The toys were incredible. Some on wheels, some plastic, some made of tin.
In le Havre, a hairdresser have a collection of them.
Incredibly, the Normandie was an Ile de France, and France was a Liberte, as both lacked that curved bow!
Hope they release these toys again one day..

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