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Topic: StatendamIV restyle

desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 03-16-2004 08:36 PM

Like the Canberra/Oriana I inverted the promenade and boat decks. Balcony cabins are atop.

She becomes a different ship so the funnel is moved aft one lifeboat module, and the aft deck terracing is reworked to keep a sense of movement.

I do not deny that she is bulkier than before, but that is not necessarily bad.

PS: Any changes on the Andrea Doria harm the looks since she was so perfect to begin with.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 03-17-2004 10:48 AM

This is terrific !
I like the lowered lifeboats!
Drills used to scare me so much, as we sometimews went all the way down from a great height!
ssLewis

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 03-17-2004 11:05 AM

She looks a bit like current Caronie the way you altered her! Especially her aft section, if you make a sloping forward superstructure she would be ideal. Funnel position looks a bit awkward, if you place your hand in front of the aft section the funnel position suggest a longer ship and if you place your hand on the forward section, it suggest a small ship.

Actually I have always found Statendam IV to be just perfect especially the funnel with the two big spikes sticking out at the front side. I also liked the “no nonsense” straight forward superstructure and relative long foredeck. I never liked her later in life volume addition in front of her forward superstructure, ruined her good looks.

Best, Onno

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 03-17-2004 01:32 PM

I wished her bows were like Rotterdam or Nieuw-Amsterdam.
She did not have a bulbus bow either.
Somehow, she remains stylish, and it is a pity she had not been sold to Cunard..
ssLewis

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mec1
First Class Passenger
Member # 4287

posted 03-17-2004 02:14 PM

Great changes!

And, on a bit of a tangent, how good the Holland America funnel colours look (though not as good as the original HAL Colours).

Is it just me? My favourite funnel colours are P&O's plain buff and Cunard's red and black and Orient Lines banded white funnels. Do cruise lines really need their logo splashed all over the funnel?

Although having said that, even Carnival's CP adaptation is better than Princess, Crystal, NCL and most of the others.

Mike

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 03-17-2004 04:36 PM

I don't like the chances to the Statendam profile. I agree with Onno that the Statendam was one off the most handsome liners ever build. With a very beautifull smokestack and long lines.

Specialy in here later HAL years with here bleu hull she looks more handsome. I never understand way HAL chance there funnel colors in Orange with that ugly logo. Yes mec 1 i liked the old buff yellow, green white green band funnel colors to. Today funnel livery off HAL is nice with there old logo frome 1938.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 03-18-2004 01:16 AM

I preferred the original HAL funnel colors. When "Holland-America Cruises" reverted back to HAL, the original funnel colors should have been restored along with the yellow band around the now navy hull. Statendam was beautiful. Another 1950s classic.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 03-18-2004 09:06 AM

Desirod,
I noticed that like the Italian Doria/Cesare, many vertical lines were angled forward, adding a sense of motion and power.
On Statendam, the lines were straight as opposed to curved on the Italians.
I wonder what the boat deck would look with an angled line forward, as to complement the stern line of the prom deck?....
/uuu/ rather than /uuu] ?

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 03-18-2004 09:31 AM

Here was my original Statendam 4 rework. I simply moved the funnel and added a balcony deck forward of it.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 04-02-2004 04:57 AM

Fantastic!
I must be traditional, but I prefer that one..
I noticed most 50's liners had vertical lines angled forward, and it always worked!
Todays ships are rather complicated, but msEuropa or Aurora seems to recall some 50's clues..

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PHILPKH923
First Class Passenger
Member # 4064

posted 04-02-2004 08:32 PM

From DESIROD7:

quote:
Here was my original Statendam 4 rework. I simply moved the funnel and added a balcony deck forward of it.

I like rendering this best.

...KenH

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 04-11-2004 01:23 PM

I reworked the lifeboat aperture with a radius on the aft end. This relieves the over-rational symmetry and oppressive vertical elements.

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Kelly D Payne
First Class Passenger
Member # 4205

posted 04-13-2004 04:11 PM

What kind of softwear do you use to change these ships.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 04-14-2004 03:55 AM

Hi David.

Think that the inbuilt lifeboats / tenders don't work fore the Statendam.
I prefer your rework previous replay.
The added balcony deck before the funnel looks very good.
On the real statendan its a white wall with windows in your version its look off there is finaly somthing hapening.
Iff i'ts possible to do this version with the old HAL funnel colors yellow (buff) green with green and the bleu hull HAL never have a livery combenation like this but i wonder how it will look.
Great work David.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 04-14-2004 04:01 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Kelly D Payne:
What kind of softwear do you use to change these ships.

Good question Kelly. I want to now also.

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 04-14-2004 09:11 AM

Onno creates the models with 3dStudioMax from
www.autodesk.com. I make the modifications with Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator www.adobe.com

Bennie, the lifeboat changes are simply a design excersize. SOLAS I believe now requires them to be no higher than 50' above the waterline. Had that regulation come in after the Doria sinking, the Statendam and subsequent ships might have looked similar to the Canberra/Oriana/ OceanBreeze.

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Maasdam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3858

posted 04-14-2004 12:24 PM

quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Onno creates the models with 3dStudioMax from
www.autodesk.com. I make the modifications with Adobe Photoshop and Adobe Illustrator www.adobe.com
Bennie, the lifeboat changes are simply a design excersize. SOLAS I believe now requires them to be no higher than 50' above the waterline. Had that regulation come in after the Doria sinking, the Statendam and subsequent ships might have looked similar to the Canberra/Oriana/ OceanBreeze.
[ 04-14-2004: Message edited by: desirod7 ]

Thanks David fore the software information.

David it would be interesting what those designs off the legend 50's / 60's liners would be.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-14-2004 03:41 PM

Desirod is correct about the newer regulations regarding the height of the boat deck. Cunard was allowed to have QM2's boats positioned quite a bit higher (what seems to be at least 2-4 decks higher) than most cruise ships. QM2's regular N. Atlantic service route can be quite rough and placing her boats lower could put them at risk of damage or being torn from their davits in high seas.

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 09-28-2007 08:28 AM

parellel topic for today

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