Funnel in place of swimming pool and lido with pool forward of funnel.

[ 09-02-2011: Message edited by: desirod7 ]

I’m currently building a model of Andrea Doria and it amazed me that her funnel is very much forward, but due to her flowing design it doesn’t appear to look like that. Your alteration reminds me a lot of the Oceanic. Only problem is that the funnel design now lost it’s connection and flow with the rest of the ship. Maybe she would look better with a new designed funnel.

Oceanic looks good with a far aft funnel since she is a very long ship.

Best, Onno

I reworked the proportions of the back funnel
Onno, thanks for the photo

[ 03-10-2004: Message edited by: desirod7 ]

Here she is with the Boat deck and Promenade deck reversed similar to the Canberra/Oriana.

Here as another alteration. I have taken your version with the aft located funnel. I also shifted the bridge backwards to rebalance her profile. This way creating extra forward deck space. It’s no Doria anymore but the result is interesting.

Best, Onno

[ 03-12-2004: Message edited by: Onno ]

I’m building an Andrea Doria model scale 1:600 and I you pictures are a great help.

Best, Onno

[ 03-13-2004: Message edited by: Onno ]

Most designers, Naval Architects etc. go thru sometimes 100 variations to get it to look right on top of accomodating all the functional requirements.

The Canberra had many alternatives and variations before the masterpiece came together. Some were attractive, some not.

By putting Canberra style lifeboats on the Doria, I now know what a job the architects had in making the Great White Whale the beauty she was.

One never knows how something will turn out unless it is tried.

Onno and I have barely scratched the surface.

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Originally posted by Brian_O:
After looking at these variations, some of them quite attractive, I still think the best looking variation is the original design.
Brian

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But I would like to see a photo of Leonardo da Vinci in this mix. We can therby compare concepts with a really classic design, without having to leap to another site to get the photo. That was one beautiful ship.

[ 03-14-2004: Message edited by: Cambodge ]

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Originally posted by sslewis:
The Italians always got it right.
In prewar Neptunia and Saturnia, the ancestry of AD is very evident.
My maths teacher told us about a Golden number(3,14?), found by Leonardo da Vinci.
The vessel bearing the name illustrate this perfectly, but Doria and Colombo had je ne sais quoi.
Onno, perhaps you could try and get the funnel closer?
A ship I alway wanted to see with one funnel is Rotterdam.
She survived LDV, and was very similar in dimensions, but R seems bigger!
ssLewis, inspiring..

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High ss. Lewis here 10 times ss. rotterdam with difrend funnels.

the left row frome top to bottom.

r'dam with the funnel off kungsholm.
r'dam with the funnel off france.
r'dam with the funnel off saxionia.
r'dam with the funnel off nevasa.
and as built.

the right row frome top to bottom.

r'dam with the funnel off england.
r'dam with the funnel off rafaello.
r'dam with the funnel off adelaide star (my favorit)
r'dam with the funnel off southern cross.
and with dasselpain as the france loire.

[ 03-23-2004: Message edited by: Maasdam ]

One of the great drawings from Arne Zuidhoek’s books.

Though the pictures are great an tempting it is not always the smartest thing to post them publicly on the internet. I know you post the picture with the best intentions. I make scans or copies from books as well but purely for myself, keep in mind that it is copyright protected stuff.

That said I think she would look nice with the Nevasa funnel (if they didn’t came up with the genius design of the two slender uptakes)

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Originally posted by Onno:
Hi Ben,

One of the great drawings from Arne Zuidhoek’s books.

Though the pictures are great an tempting it is not always the smartest thing to post them publicly on the internet. I know you post the picture with the best intentions. I make scans or copies from books as well but purely for myself, keep in mind that it is copyright protected stuff.

That said I think she would look nice with the Nevasa funnel (if they didn’t came up with the genius design of the two slender uptakes)

Regards, Onno

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Yes Onno you have it right with the copyright.

I preffer the Blue Star funnel it gave the ship a strong appearans. Buth the ship as she´s is built with here twin uptakes is perfect.

[ 03-18-2004: Message edited by: Maasdam ]

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Originally posted by norman warren:
To Onno : with most steamships boilers foward of the turbines,wouldnt the aft funnell be the logicial "dummy" ? regards norman

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Hi Norman,

You’re correct in Andrea Doria’s original design and with other contemporaries (like the Statendam IV for instance) the engines/boilers where situated amidships or more towards the front of the ship. What Desirod and I explored was is the engines aft installation like on the Southern Cross or the Canberra. And as a result the working funnel is more at the back of the ship. That’s why I called the forward funnel in the two funnelled version a dummy one.