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Here's a copy of the Hadley Blueprints - profile view. I also have every deck of her original layout...the plans are about 5 feet long each. Where did you hear about 5 gourmet restaurants?
The TOP image is Hadley's design, the bottom one is my design. Hadley's design is very much like what was done to the SS NORWAY...except a little more extreme.
sswlewis, Did you know that the bilge keel was filled with balsa "wood"? Yes the Bilge keels and the pianos where all that was made of wood onboard the Big U....however when I visited the ship in 1986 I found a "wood" oven scrapper and bought it....the guy onboard looked at me like..."why would you want to buy that"? He didn't realize the significance of discovering more "wood" onboard. Gibbs would have been very upset to know someone brought onboard a "wooden" scrapper.
quote:Originally posted by Keitaro:Barryboat, I thought Cruiseny designed the bottom one?
Huh? I didn't design anything .
I think Hadley added one or two decks too many. At the very least, the "extra" deck that's just over the bridge makes her too top-heavy.
One from 1952 - here.
The other from 1982 -here.. This must be Hadley's plan
Joe at TravelPage.com
quote:Originally posted by JOE:I'm not letting you send that design.
Who aren't you letting send what ?
quote:Originally posted by JOE:No wait, It's not SS Lewis, but Barryboat. His design destroys the ships beauty and ballance.
I don't like the design either, but you can hardly stop him sending it to NCL if he wants to! Well, unless you work for the postal service ... ("When you control the mail... You control in-for-ma-tion!")
Oh, wait, I'm using this new thing now... The Internet... Oops, I guess you'd have to work for the postal service, and be a super computer hacker!
And have spies at NCL's offices to sabotage him if he tries to deliver it personally .
So, I don't think you'll stop him!
quote:Plus it would cost to much
Something tells me NCL is not going to go the low-budget route on this one...
I have just heard that you have purchased the SS United States and SS Independence for you Hawaiian cruise operation. Here are my ideas on how you can restore the Big U.
Give the SS United States New Environ Engines: Since the Big U has an oil based powered plant, it would be necessary to upgrade the engines so the ship would pass the 2010 SOLAS Code, which states that all ships must not have combustible materials onboard a ship. The new diesel engines will replace the steam turbines. The amount of engines will possibly increase speed.
Add a Lido Pool, Tenders, and Extended Promenade: A man named Onno Heesbeen designed an example of the SS United States Refit. He should be credited for the design. Here is the picture. Onno plans on extending the promenade around the former 1st class theater and adding a new Lido Pool with a 24-hour restaurant. Also, the Upper Deck has been extended under the pool to allow room. This could be a perfect area to install alternative Freestyle restaurants. However, the 1980s refit plan had a proposal for 5 alternative restaurants. However, I don’t know where the restaurants will be. When I purchase the plans, I’ll find the location. Then you could place them there. The above drawing shows the addition of QE2 Style Windscreens. They will be placed at the end of the Upper Deck and Sun Deck. Six tenders have replaced the three aft lifeboats on each side. They will be used to get into ports that can’t handle the Big U.
Addition of an Upper Deck: There is space behind the bridge that can be used for balcony cabin space. I counted 38 cabins on the deck on the design that Onno made. I was planning on extending the cabins back toward the wind screen for a total for 42 cabins on one side. There will be a grand total of 84 balcony suites. If there is an additional deck added, there will be an ultimate total of 168 cabins. However, this might make the ship top-heavy.
The Addition of Freestyle Restaurants-In order for the Big U to compete with the modern cruise ships, addition of 5 freestyle restaurants would be necessary. I thought up of putting in 5 freestyle restaurants because when Richard H. Hadley was going to refurbish the ship, he planned to add 5 alternative restaurants. Here they are, Le Bistro (NCL’s signature French Restaurant), Bamboo-Taste of Asia (Asian Fusion Restaurant with Sake Bar and Tepenyaki Room), Cagneys Steakhouse (Perfect for the Big U), Los Ramblas Tapas Bar (Tapas Restaurant), and a new restaurant for NCL, Kona Grill(Hawaiian and California Cuisine with a pick your own lobster tank).
Congratulations,
JOE
It's good. I can't get the drawing of onnos ship on it. aLSO, I had my real name on it so i put JOE on it. I credited Onno for the ship design. When I sent the email, I should have put that Onno is a great architect and should be noticed. I should have be the same.
mail, hope you love it.
I am actually keen on your design. In order for the BIG U to compete, she'll need an entirely new superstructure. She'll never make money otherwise. Classicists and moan and bitch, but the cruise industry is about los dineros, entiende?
I know we haven't seen eye to eye in the past, but it's all past, and I think you have a unique talent as a ship designer. Good luck, dude.
I would say the curved, almost vertical look of the forward superstructure, the long foredeck, the twin funnels, the terraced aft structure, and the prom. deck windows are the keys to keeping her Big U.
A superstructure that is terraced at the aft part, and rounded forward would certainly play up the liner image, without exactly replicating the old structure. The general design of the old prom. windows could be incorporated in a band along the sides of the new structure, and the original funnels, or exact replicas, could be re-installed on top of the new structure. The design team sould take inspiration from the Disney ships, QM2, and Norway, as they are excellent examples of how liner-like qualities can be incorporated into a sucessful, modern ship.
Barryboat's design is a great concept, as it does resemble the Disney ships. Though I would prefer a less built-up forward superstructure, NCL could do a LOT worse than Barryboat's design. It does more or less preserve her distinguishing characteristics, while allowing her to compete against modern mega-ships. The goal should be to have someone who hasn't seen the ship since 1955 be able to look at her after rebuilding and say "Hey, that's the SS United States!" Barry's design proves that it can be done while modernizing her at the same time.
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