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Frosty 4
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posted 01-17-2012 12:13 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
After the recent events with the Costa ship,I wonder if cruise lines will standardize their lifeboat drills.That being all the same!
Meeting in the theatre or lounge is NOT the same as going to your muster station where your assigned lifeboat is.
Going directly to your lifeboat station and obtaining your life vest seems the best way IMHO.
Cruise lines vary but I usually see where I need to go and the best way to get there.
I think cruise lines don't like people having to take their life vest anywhere due to staps causing people to trip and fall.
Our last cruise HAL did have us go to our muster station with the vests from our cabin.But having to go to your cabin to obtain these seems counter productive and adding confusiion and congestion.
Some people think these muster drills are a joke,I would venture to say they will take it seriously now.
Frosty 4

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dmwnc1
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posted 01-17-2012 12:50 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ok, let's say they have 'assigned lifeboats' instead of a 'muster station'. What happens if your assigned lifeboat was damaged in a collision, or on the high side of a capsizing ship? What then? Same goes for a muster station if there is a fire between you and your assigned meeting area or your lifeboat?

Muster stations are a better way of getting hundreds of people together in a safe indoor environment while the situation is being analyzed to determine whether an 'abandon ship' is necessary. And if need be they can re-route you to a more accessible lifeboat in case something incapacitating has happened to those in a particular area of the ship.


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desirod7
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posted 01-17-2012 01:04 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by dmwnc1:
Ok, let's say they have 'assigned lifeboats' instead of a 'muster station'. What happens if your assigned lifeboat was damaged in a collision, or on the high side of a capsizing ship? What then? Same goes for a muster station if there is a fire between you and your assigned meeting area or your lifeboat?

Muster stations are a better way of getting hundreds of people together in a safe indoor environment while the situation is being analyzed to determine whether an 'abandon ship' is necessary. And if need be they can re-route you to a more accessible lifeboat in case something incapacitating has happened to those in a particular area of the ship.


DMW, this has been discussed before by cruisetalker Gohaze who has since passed. He was a ship master. He too believes the muster station is the best starting point in case of inclement weather or unlauncheable lifeboats

On my past 2 cruises on the Galaxy and the Regatta, we met at the muster station in our lifebelts, and went out to the lifeboats after.


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Frosty 4
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posted 01-17-2012 03:07 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I agree to a point,but getting hundreds of people out of a theatre?? You know how long that takes after a show. And if panic ensues people will get trampled.
Any part of the ship may make it impossible to get to a muster station under adverse conditions. But going up to the lifeboat area/muster station seems more reasonable.
There seems to have been a language barrier on this ship.according to some passengers.
I have been on a few cruises where multple languages were used for announcements.
IMO there should be a standard procedure not different ones.
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Ernst
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posted 01-17-2012 03:34 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think one has to 'think outside the box' and maybe get rid of drills like they are done now entirely. Many drills I attended were a joke - there might be better ways to instruct passengers about what to do in an emergency. Of course, one must not forget that a drill is also an opportunity for the crew to learn how to handle crowds, but then I am again not sure whether this really prepares them for an emergency giving that there is a lot of other training going on.
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bulbousbow
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posted 01-17-2012 09:48 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My opinion on this is that there must be a drill as soon as possible and before the ship leaves port. I think all passengers boarding should be given written and visual information in their preferred language to view at their cabin. So within a couple of hours of embarkation all pax must know that there will be a drill that will take them to their lifeboats wearing their life vests. The drill must be mandatory and the crew will need to enforce it, even to the point of checking cabins and public areas. Of course you'll have your announcements over the PA in various languages and any other audible warnings (made known in the info at boarding).

There are many ways for passengers to know what is going to happen. Good communication is important. The drills have to also be run professionally. This should also be made known to passengers-that it is not a game-and should be taken very seriously!

Maybe crew need to be retrained constantly since crew does change. The way I see it: play it safe rather than risk. I guess you all agree on that.

The COSTA CONCORDIA incident will definitely change things in one way or another. Nautilus International, maritime professional union, has voiced its concerns. Let's hope the industry takes heed.

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Namlit
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posted 01-19-2012 08:28 AM      Profile for Namlit     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think there is something to be said here about PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY. Even with a "perfect" life-boat drill system in place, there are countless variables that can crop up in an actual disaster, which could cause problems with a planned evacuation. I think it is important for every passenger to maintain situational awareness, and to know things like
-where their muster station is.
-where their assigned lifeboat is.
-where an alternate lifeboat or raft can be accessed.
-where life vests (other than the ones in cabin) can be obtained.
-How to meet-up with traveling companions in an emergency.
-which documents to keep on your person at all times.

It doesn't take more than a few minutes of research and planning to develop steps to get yourself and your people to safety in case of an onboard emergency. Having a plan also puts you in the best position to help others, if things get crazy. The herd mentality will get you killed in a mass-panic situation.
Have a plan, and take decisive action based on previous previous observation of the emergency tools at hand, and you'll be long off the ship before things get critical.
Do you read and consider the emergency escape info on the back of your hotel room door? You should be doing the same thing with the info on the back of your stateroom door on a ship.

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Tom Burke
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posted 01-25-2012 08:01 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A few points:

a) I vaguely remember reading something in the aftermath of the Star Princess, in which passengers were called to muster stations in the small hours and held there for quite a long time. The comment I read (by a passenger) was that having done the drill was a help, when they were woken by the alarm at 3am or something like that, because they knew where to go.

b) Doing 'bus stop' cruises in which passengers embark/disembark at various ports along the route seems to be a feature of the Italian companies, both Costa and MSC. In the case of Concordia's itinerary, the relevant ports were Savona, Barcelona & Civitavecchia, with Savona being the main port. I wonder if this will continue? I can't help thinking that trying to do good drills for the minority of passengers who have just embarked at secondary ports is difficult. You can't even do things like shut the bars, etc, because they need to stay open for the majority of passengers who have already done their muster drill.

c) The only time I can recall being taken from the muster station out onto the deck and shown 'my lifeboat' was on an Italian cruise. This was on MSC Sinfonia and happened in Genoa, which was the principal port for the cruise.

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