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posted 11-24-2005 09:46 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
State aid: Commission denies delivery date extensions for cruise ship at Italian yard
November 24, 2005

Brussels -- The European Commission has decided under the EC Treaty state aid rules not to allow an extension of the delivery date for a cruise ship built at the Fincantieri shipyard in Italy. Under the EU’s state aid rules, operating aid for shipbuilding was abolished at the end of 2000. Operating aid of up to 9% for shipbuilding contracts signed before that date continued to be allowed for contracts executed within three years. Derogations from this rule can be granted under strict conditions. In October 2004 the Commission authorised such a derogation for four cruise ships built by Fincantieri. However, it has had to refuse an extension for the fifth ship, as it was clear from the signing of the contract in 2000 that the delivery of the ship within the three-year-period was technically not possible. Consequently, no aid can be paid for the fifth ship.

Competition Commissioner Neelie Kroes said: “Operating aid for shipyards has severely distorted the market. It is therefore essential for fair competition that the abolition of operating aid affects all shipyards equally. No shipyard should be allowed to use a derogation from EC Treaty rules to benefit from aid which it has no right to receive”.

Contract-related operating aid for shipbuilding was abolished in the EU in December 2000, but could still be paid for contracts signed at the latest by the end of 2000 and executed before the end of 2003. This condition aimed at avoiding artificial “frontloading” of shipbuilding contracts. The Shipbuilding Regulation (Council Regulation 1540/98), which was in force at that time, stipulates that the Commission may grant an extension of the three-year delivery limit when this is found justified e.g. by delays resulting from unexpected disruptions due to unforeseen exceptional circumstances beyond the shipyard’s control.

Italy requested the Commission to grant an extension of the delivery limit for five cruise ships built by Fincantieri. The vessels were originally meant to be delivered before the end of 2003. On this basis, Fincantieri was awarded 9% contract-related aid by the Italian authorities, subject to the Commission’s approval.

The Commission’s preliminary investigation, concluded in October 2004, revealed that exceptional circumstances (the shipowner requested later delivery of the ships due to the terrorist attacks of 11 September 2001) justified an extension of the delivery deadline for four of the ships. The Commission also found that Fincantieri would technically have been able to deliver the four ships by the end of 2003, as originally foreseen.

However, for the fifth ship, the Commission decided to launch a formal investigation, because it had doubts that Fincantieri would actually have the capacity to deliver the ship by the end of 2003 as originally foreseen (together with the four other cruise ships and all other ships in the order book). Based on the information received during the investigation, the Commission’s doubts have been confirmed and therefore no aid will be allowed for the fifth ship.

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Name the fifth newbuild.

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posted 11-25-2005 02:23 AM      Profile for sealeg claude   Email sealeg claude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi,

So, Fincantieri got a 9% advantage on the German yards ( which were/are operating under receivership if I'm right ) and the Norwegian yards???
Am I naive to think that way ??? Or is this a repulsive exemple of a so-called biggie simply bullying its way over the competition.....at someone else's expense ????
I'm glad Chantiers got the recent MSC, and the German yards got the new Celebrity.

By the way, the newbuild in question here ; Emerald Princess ??? can't be Crown P .....

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posted 11-25-2005 04:22 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I would be interested to know which 5 "cruise ships" are referred to here. Has Carnival in effect been receiving 'discounts' on their vessels. That thought annoys me incredibly.

Pam


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PamM
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posted 11-25-2005 07:08 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
6077, 6078, 6079, 6082 and 6087 .
All Carnival corp with an EU aid amount of 243 million euro! 6079 is the bogus one. From an EC report in 2003:-

" it appears that the ships were originally intended to be delivered in 2004 and 2005. This has also been confirmed by Italy. The delivery dates
were changed to the dates in 2003 at a late stage in 2000, since the ships otherwise would not have been eligible for operating aid" and..

"The Commission notes that delivery of all the notified five ships in 2003, plus other ships already foreseen for delivery in 2003, would have implied an enormous task for the Fincantieri yards. The Commission therefore considers it necessary to verify that Fincantieri would have been technically able to deliver the concerned ships by the end
of 2003. If this would not have been technically possible, an extension of the delivery limit would allow Italy to provide more operating aid than what should be allowed."

This would have been impossible I think..

Anyhow, this makes very interesting reading.

Pam

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posted 11-25-2005 11:34 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam, here are those Hull numbers quoted:

6077 WESTERDAM...Marghera
6078 ARCADIA (QUEEN VICTORIA)...Marghera
6079 NOORDAM...Marghera
6082 CARNIVAL VALOR...Monfalcone
6087 COSTA MAGICA...Sestri

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