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Linerdan
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posted 09-22-2005 03:49 AM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gday all

I can remember (im very sure) that while QM2 was on the drawing board , one of the highlighted features was going to be a special viewing Bar on board.This Bar was going to have either a glass wall or glass floor that you could view the engine room in action.Can anyone else remember reading about this?........


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mec1
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posted 09-22-2005 06:57 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think you may have got your Queen Mary's confused. The Queen Mary Paddle steamer has got windows that allow you to watch her reciprocating engines but QM2 never had this planned - after all who on earth wants to watch diesels running?
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Meldrew of the Seas
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posted 09-22-2005 07:10 AM      Profile for Meldrew of the Seas   Email Meldrew of the Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A glass floor to watch the propellors running might be an idea, though after a minute or two it's probably less interesting than watching a washing machine in action.

Might have proved useful on Aurora, though.....


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bulbousbow
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posted 09-22-2005 08:19 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Meldrew of the Seas wrote:
A glass floor to watch the propellors running might be an idea, though after a minute or two it's probably less interesting than watching a washing machine in action.

With all the vibration down there would it be wise to have a glass floor? And the seals? Mmmh, probably not. It may also be a little dark unless the props are lit up, but I agree, after a while it would just get boring.

quote:
Might have proved useful on Aurora, though.....

Brilliant mate...touché!

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Ernst
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posted 09-22-2005 08:22 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Meldrew of the Seas:
A glass floor to watch the propellors running might be an idea, though after a minute or two it's probably less interesting than watching a washing machine in action.

Might have proved useful on Aurora, though.....


During trials small windows to observe the propeller are sometimes installed - but not a glass floor! (keep in mind: This is precisely where most of the vibration you feel in the ship is coming from!)


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-22-2005 08:57 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is a question for super 'Gerry'.

I would imagine the engine room has very little worth looking at, just big generators and a couple of gas turbines. I assume that there are few moving parts to view?

The props are on the end of pods quite a long way under the sea. Maybe diving gear could be made available?

M


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posted 09-22-2005 09:14 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Malcolm wrote:
Maybe diving gear could be made available?

Will you be the first (victim) to dive down there while the props (azipods) are running?

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Ernst
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posted 09-22-2005 09:36 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Beside the fact that there is not a lot to see in a modern engine room (no moving parts - also there are no cathedral high engine rooms anymore) - I am not sure whether the crew would really like that.

It is finally the same with these open bridges (or observation windows to the bridge like on the Voyager Class) - as much as I enjoy this as s passenger - I can only imagine how anoying this can be for the people who work there. At the end of the day I prefere that the crew has a nice relaxed atmosphere to work and is not sitting in an enclosure.


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bulbousbow
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posted 09-22-2005 10:44 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Ernst wrote:
Beside the fact that there is not a lot to see in a modern engine room...

People still want to see what's under the hood of a car even if they know there are no moving parts (besides the fan belt). The same applies with cruise ship engine rooms.

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Ernst
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posted 09-22-2005 10:58 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:

People still want to see what's under the hood of a car even if they know there are no moving parts (besides the fan belt). The same applies with cruise ship engine rooms.

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I agree - like many here I am always very keen to get a tour trough the engine room when aboard a ship. But I guess finally guided tour to the engine room (or bridge) ar the better solution. Maybe one could consider that in the design of the engine room or the bridge and make it more easily acessible for such tours. (I understand that it is not possible on some ships - steep stairs, hot parts, no hadrails etc.)


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Meldrew of the Seas
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posted 09-25-2005 12:30 PM      Profile for Meldrew of the Seas   Email Meldrew of the Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
......... I can only imagine how anoying this can be for the people who work there..............


Especially when the passengers keep tapping on the glass and waving.............


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-26-2005 06:57 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Meldrew of the Seas:
Especially when the passengers keep tapping on the glass and waving.............

The Voyager clas has an external window at the bow, on deck which you look down onto the bridge. It looks like very thick tinted glass. I think it is always open? I do not recall any signs prohibiting anything.

On the QM2 the window is behind the bridge, on the same level. It is only open on sea days. A notice says it's on a 'trial period'. There are also signs about not using 'flash' and being quiet.

It would appear that Voyagers Peek-a-boo bridge is less distracting for the crew than the QM2's.


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LeBarryboat
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posted 09-26-2005 03:27 PM      Profile for LeBarryboat   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
QE2 had a small porthole to view the propellers, but it was painted over eventually. I don't think you could see much with the propellers in action, because of all the wash. A bar with a window into the engine room may have been a nice gimmick, but logistically...it may have been a challenge to incorporate into the design. They could however, build a bar with no windows, that has large flat-screen monitors of the engine room areas, and the room where the pods are attached.
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Ernst
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posted 09-26-2005 03:30 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by LeBarryboat:
[...] They could however, build a bar with no windows, that has large flat-screen monitors of the engine room areas, and the room where the pods are attached.

A photo is probably the same effect.


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Gerry
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posted 09-28-2005 11:52 AM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In the very early days we did think about having a viewing area into the engine room but the idea was dropped almost straight away when we studdied how we could actually do it. Mainly down to the fire construction regulations. You can't have a iewing area without it being a protected space which would have included A60 fireproof glass and sprinklers etc. The whole approach would have to be a protected passageway and it would obviously need to be all the way down to the lower decks. This would take a lot of space we could use for other things. In addition to that, as others have said, there is no cathedral space anymore but cramped low ceiling rooms running the length of the ship. There would be nothing exciting to look at. The analogy of the modern car engine is good. There is no space to even put your hand into a modern car engine space unlike a few years ago. Ships engine spaces are the same. There is only enough space for the engineers to walk around. Bottom line is though that we did consider it and decided it wasnt worth it.
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Linerdan
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posted 09-29-2005 03:20 AM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
THANKYOU GERRY !...............I feel so much better now as i do remembering reading about it

Regards Linerdan


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