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DEIx15x8
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posted 09-30-2009 08:00 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
With in the past hour the Carnival Legend collided with the Enchantment of the Seas in high winds while departing from Cozumel. Only Twitter reports so far but they are all stating major damage to both ships. Have to wait for on shore information on the real extent of the damage.
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DEIx15x8
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posted 09-30-2009 08:21 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
New reports are saying that the damage may be limited to cosmetic (paint, glass, dents) and nothing major. I guess that's why you never trust the people on board as they can't really see anything. We'll still have to wait for some pictures to surface to be positive of the extent of the damage.
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Michael534
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posted 09-30-2009 11:33 PM      Profile for Michael534   Email Michael534   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read on USA Today that both ships sustained minor damage. Mostly broken glass and railings. No injuries to passengers or crew of either vessel. Both ships were cleared to sail on scheduled itinerary. Seems the wind caught the Carnival ship and pushed her into stern area of RCI vessel. A tug tried to get between them but it was too late.

Michael


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vivavegas
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posted 09-30-2009 11:33 PM      Profile for vivavegas   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hmmm, Little close for comfort -

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DEIx15x8
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posted 10-01-2009 07:38 AM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here is another from the same person that precedes those two.

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mike sa
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posted 10-01-2009 09:47 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The pic above must be immediately after they touched. No big deal, just a little kiss xxxx
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DAMBROSI
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posted 10-01-2009 10:06 AM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We had something similar to that happen to us. We were on the NORWEGIAN WIND in Nov. 2003. We were pulling out at dinner time, about 6 or 6:30. We were in the stern restaurant, we could see the lights from the VEENDAM of her stern. All of a sudden, I heard this loud sound, I thought it was thunder. Turned out, a strong wind pushed us into the stern of the VEENDAM, I couldn't see much damage when we got to Miami. It was the first time I had been in that situation.
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GregD
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posted 10-01-2009 01:22 PM      Profile for GregD   Author's Homepage   Email GregD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What concerns me is the photo above where the ship 'allides' with the dock. That appears to be just above the waterline
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Waynaro
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posted 10-01-2009 01:38 PM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by GregD:
What concerns me is the photo above where the ship 'allides' with the dock. That appears to be just above the waterline
My same thoughts. The "kiss" with the ENCHANTMENT o/t SEAS seems like nothing when compared to the dock.

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dmwnc1
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posted 10-01-2009 04:26 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Reminds me of when the Queen Victoria did her kiss with the pier with her back end. She received a bit of damage then also.
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GregD
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posted 10-01-2009 06:09 PM      Profile for GregD   Author's Homepage   Email GregD   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From John Healds blog. Its a long read but it's thorough.
quote:
I am sure many of you have already read about the incident yesterday as the Carnival Legend left Cozumel …………. and I am sure that one or two of the reports may be a little …………. ummmm ………fictional……..so as I was there from beginning to end…………..I thought you might like to know exactly what happened. So, grab a cup of tea, take a seat and let us begin.

And we start with the only humorous part of this event and it really is true because I got a call from the Cruise Director Jen around 6:10pm and when she called…………….guess what ………… yep……………I was in my cabin…………in my underpants.

Anyway, Jen told me that I should come to the bridge as we were experiencing problems. Luckily my cabin is on deck 8 so I had a short walk and as soon as I arrived I could see what the problem was. The first thing that struck me was how angry the sky was. I had been on my balcony an hour or so ago and the sky was blue and the sun was as hot as Megan Fox’s bottom.

But now…….oh my goodness how things had suddenly and dramatically changed. It was noisy, dark and horrific. I could hear the thumping of rain crashing down against the ship and the wind was howling as though hundreds of wolves were outside baying for our blood. The sky was as dark as an Ed Wood movie and the sea, even within the protection of the harbor looked like it had been given the good news with a huge egg whisk……….. And was full of foreboding swells.

And the result of all this weather was that we were getting closer and closer to the Enchantment of the Seas which was docked in Cozumel on the opposite pier.
The captain was fighting the 50 knot winds with all his might using the thrusters and engines at full power. He was calm……….but at the same time you clearly see the look of concern and anguish in his eyes as he battled the elements. But I think he knew that this was one battle he wasn’t going to win and so he told Jen to make an announcement top have all the guests standing on the port side open decks and balconies to leave the area immediately and head back inside or to the middle or starboard side of the vessel………Jen made this announcement calmly and clearly and it’s a good thing she did………….because moments later we touched……not Jen and I…………I mean the Carnival Legend touched the Enchantment of the Seas.

And it was a touch, a brush, a tickle. The words collision or hit or crash don’t describe what happened at all. There was no bang or jolt, just a ………what’s a good word for it?………I know………a shudder or a shiver. The first thing I noticed was the look of anguish in the captain’s eyes and one repeated on the faces of all the officers on the bridge. But the captain continued the battle against the wind and managed to push us away again from the RCI ship. At this point it was hard to distinguish between the flashes of lightning that shot angrily out of the sky and the flashes of hundreds of cameras as guests on both ships recorded this incident for prosperity, for Facebook, twitter and YouTube.

At this point I wanted to grab the mic and talk to the guests on the PA system but it was not my ship so I gently suggested to Jen that she make another announcement repeating the request for guests to move away from the port side in case we touched again………not Jen and I……….the two ships……….and to just talk to the guests, keep them calm and informed. In moments like this there is no such thing as too many announcements and the one voice they want to hear from is the cruise director, it’s a voice the guests recognize and hopefully trust.

Well, after 20 more minutes of high winds the captain managed to reverse us away from the pier to a distance of maybe 1,000 meters from both the RCI ship and our sister ship Carnival Imagination which was also docked in Cozumel.

There was much relief all around……….and now the inspections began to discover what damage had been done. First of all I suggested to Jen that she make an announcement telling guests that all was well and that we were going to stop here so the ship’s command could assess the situation. She did…….and once again she did so calmly and professionally. I also suggested that she get as many of her Entertainment Staff out and about as possible in case guests had concerns or questions.
During the next 20 minutes the reports began to filter back to us on the bridge. Mr. Guna, the hotel director, had mobilized all of his management superbly and the first news was the best news because after checking a few times with the ship’s medical center there were no serious injuries ………the medical center was quiet.

Well, the damage could have been a lot worse. There is lots of broken glass on deck 3 port side where the ships “met” and we also have a bent railing and one damaged life raft. There is also broken glass in the guest relations back office but amazingly no damage at all to guest cabins or entertainment areas. The life raft has already been replaced as we of course always sail with extras and the ship’s crew is already starting to replace the broken glass.
As for the RCI ship……well…she sailed away from Cozumel on time…….the two captains spoke as did the bearded Safety Managers from both companies and I am sure apologies and fruit baskets were sent by Carnival to RCI.
For about two hours we inspected the damage and a pilot boat from the Cozumel sailed around us looking to see if there was any structural damage to the Carnival Legend. Then, after the inspections were completed and permission given by the Mexican authorities the ship sailed to Belize from where I am writing this blog to you now. Today, we will be joined by a safety team from Carnival Cruise Lines and a Lloyd’s inspector who together will give a thorough inspection of the vessel.


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Maasdam
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posted 10-01-2009 07:28 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Fatal Attraction
Battle of the Giants
Carnival takes over RCI
It's the wrong doing of Micky
RCL try to get insurance money to pay Oasis
Glass/Paint industry profits up by 50%
Lady's fight over place in line fore buffet
Passengers easy transfered after ending on wrong cruise ship.
Passengers Carnival in desperate action to leave ship enters RCI ship.

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dmwnc1
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posted 10-01-2009 09:04 PM      Profile for dmwnc1   Email dmwnc1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very cute, Maasdam.

For those who didn't see there are some 'contact' pictures on this blog at the bottom.

http://johnhealdsblog.com/2009/10/01/a-touching-blog/#more-11427


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TC@Sea
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posted 10-02-2009 06:45 AM      Profile for TC@Sea   Email TC@Sea   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Interesting that Carnival Legend had her anchors deployed, maybe in a measure to stop her rate of drift but this may ultimately have been what stopped her from escaping the contact. The drag effect will have slowed down the attempt to get the bow going in the right direction away from the RCI vessel.

Any opinions?


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Salaison
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posted 10-03-2009 04:08 PM      Profile for Salaison   Email Salaison   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
ok my question is..when the captain realised he was fighting a battle, why didn't he call for the tug to put some distance between them...i know things happen very quickly and there might not have been enough time, but judging from the skies and the wind, why wasn't the decision made to put the tug on her port side just incase she drifted to much. I know most ships have all the fancy gadgetry, from bow & stern thrust, pods, satellite positioning blah blah blah but in this case some good old fashion tug on ship would have helped....
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lakelandFL
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posted 10-04-2009 04:16 PM      Profile for lakelandFL        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on board the Carnival Legend when she hit Enchantment of the seas, They said 50+ mph winds pushed the legend to close to Enchantment and the pilot of Cozumel wasn't expecting that powerful wind and the captin of the Legend took over to try to move her away from Enchantment. I was on the side of the ship that hit. Both ships were cleared to sail and we meet the Enchantment again in Belize. Of the 24 cruises i have been on I have never been through that.
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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 10-04-2009 05:44 PM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by TC@Sea:
Interesting that Carnival Legend had her anchors deployed, maybe in a measure to stop her rate of drift but this may ultimately have been what stopped her from escaping the contact. The drag effect will have slowed down the attempt to get the bow going in the right direction away from the RCI vessel.

Any opinions?


I'm guessing the anchors were deployed AFTER the incident took place to prevent another 'kiss'. Legend's stern ended up braced against a corner of the Enchantments's pier, so I imagine the Captain and pilot did not want a repeat performance.

Tim


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NWLB
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posted 10-06-2009 02:44 PM      Profile for NWLB   Author's Homepage   Email NWLB   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Who says which ship departs first? I've noticed Carnival ships tend to be first out of the gate if they can manage it.

Could they have known a gust of wind such as they were hit by was coming? I would tend to think not given their location.

Was the Captain or Pilot in control at that point, or are Pilots not required in this particular port? Likewise, does the captain typically assume control when it becomes obvious bad things are happening?

Does Carnival have to send a check to RCI, or does the insurance company do that?


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