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P&O Australia will shortly inherit OV2, an "identical sister" to Pacific Dawn.
Well check out the 2 deck plans, Pacific Jewel as it is to be known will in almost all respects stay as OV2 with a Marquee Bar, Karma Spa, Connexins bar etc etc and a Waterfront ressie. And of course is a very different lay out from her "sister" the Dawn.
They could even be bothered to make the deck plans the same style just copied and pasted 1 from Princess and the other from OV.
Bone bloody idol and disrespectful to their customers.
Of course P&O are claiming Jewel will arrive after a "huge" refurbishment.
IMHO.
they are heaps madd.
quote:Originally posted by CruiseFreak97:dont rip on p&o.they are heaps madd.
I do not necessarily blame P&O Australia for this cheapness. It is an outpost of Carnival Corp and receives hand-me-down ships and probably a tiny allowance to refurbish them when they arrive. Having said that, it is hugely profitable with average daily fares far in excess of what the US lines achieve with their much newer fleets.
This is not a bash at Carnival. I doubt it would have been any better had RCI succeeded in buying P&O. RCI's handing down of its older ships to Pulmantur etc tends to back this up.
Brad
quote:Originally posted by reeves35:I do not necessarily blame P&O Australia for this cheapness. It is an outpost of Carnival Corp and receives hand-me-down ships and probably a tiny allowance to refurbish them when they arrive.
Remember, ten years ago its sole ship was FAIR PRINCESS. Twelve years ago it was FAIRSTAR!
quote:Originally posted by mike sa:Only one example and I am sure there are many you may know of........P&O Australia will shortly inherit OV2, an "identical sister" to Pacific Dawn.Well check out the 2 deck plans, Pacific Jewel as it is to be known will in almost all respects stay as OV2 with a Marquee Bar, Karma Spa, Connexins bar etc etc and a Waterfront ressie. And of course is a very different lay out from her "sister" the Dawn.They could even be bothered to make the deck plans the same style just copied and pasted 1 from Princess and the other from OV.Bone bloody idol and disrespectful to their customers. Of course P&O are claiming Jewel will arrive after a "huge" refurbishment.IMHO.
Its not P&O Australia's fault. Its Carnivals fault. They call the shots. The name Carnival has gone on all P&O's stationary and letterheads and tickets. The name Carnival is on all the port bookings.
So in your own words Carnival is "Bone bloody idol and disrespectful to their customers."
Carnival does not give a stuff about their cruise lines or brands. They are stripping as much funds as they can from them at passengers expense. All Carnival wants is money from casino's, art auctions and drinks to go back to shareholders, they will run their ships into the ground and send them into complete disrepair and then recycle old ships to other cruise lines.
Oh I am sure you would agree, you started this threat about lazy cruise lines that make your blood boil. Wait a minute. That is Carnival!
[ 06-12-2009: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]
I don't know why you have suddenly got your dander up with Carnival but it bordering on a rant.
Yes, Carnival did acquire P&O/Princess. Had Carnival not done it, RCI would have and their history in absorbing acquisitions isn't great either with much less autonomy than Carnival allows its lines.
People who carry on about P&O in the good old days need to move on. P&O was too small to survive so it was acquired. As it was P&O did not have the capital to acquire new fleet so had their been no change in ownership the best Australia could be expecting today would probably be Pacific Sky only!
Carnival did change the business name in Australia and that makes sense given the company is responsible for marketing Cunard, HAL, Princess and P&O down here. Retaining the name P&O would have meant confusion for all of the other brands which are pitched at different segments.
Your comment that Carnival doesn't give a stuff about their cruise lines or brands makes no sense. Carnival is basically a stable of cruise brands and if it didn't gve a stuff it would fail and the fact that it is the strongest cruise company in the world by a significant and growing margin suggests that this is far from the case.
I have criticisms of P&O down here and am sometimes frustrated about the minor items that reek of penny-pinching as I mentioned earlier in the thread but I am pleased that P&O Australia was acquired by Carnival and some of my frustration comes from seeing the great ships that Carnival has within its fleets and wishing that Aust could get some of that great new stuff. Maybe one day we will.
P&O Aust's future as an outpost of P&O UK would have been much dimmer.
As an aside, I believe the P&O brand is damaged down under and if I were in charge I'd be doing a rebrand of the P&O Australia fleet to Carnival or Princess!!
quote:Originally posted by Sutho:So in your own words Carnival is "Bone bloody idol and disrespectful to their customers."Carnival . . . are stripping as much funds as they can from them at passengers expense. All Carnival wants is money from casino's, art auctions and drinks to go back to shareholders, they will run their ships into the ground and send them into complete disrepair and then recycle old ships to other cruise lines.
Carnival . . . are stripping as much funds as they can from them at passengers expense. All Carnival wants is money from casino's, art auctions and drinks to go back to shareholders, they will run their ships into the ground and send them into complete disrepair and then recycle old ships to other cruise lines.
I have read just about as much as I can take from this individual's postings. If there is much more of his puerile insults and wrong-headed argument published here, then I'm afraid I will be tempted to look elsewhere for a sensible discussion.
I am sure there are many other Cruise Talk contributors who feel the same. I don't mind a heated debate as long as it remains within the bounds of (relatively) friendly conversation. Sutho clearly has no conception of what polite conversation is, and would start a fight with his own reflection in a mirror.
Joe/Malcolm, why do we have to put up with Sutho's foul-mouthed, intemperate insults?
Please get rid of him before we are forced to go.
quote:Originally posted by reeves35:Sutho, you need to chill.I don't know why you have suddenly got your dander up with Carnival but it bordering on a rant.
"Bordering"? I think it crossed that line a long time ago.
quote:Originally posted by greybeard:Joe/Malcolm, why do we have to put up with Sutho's foul-mouthed, intemperate insults?Please get rid of him before we are forced to go.
Sutho,
You are welcome to participate if you can do so without insulting other posters or calling them names. It's your choice - but any future violations will be deleted and your account may be removed.
Joe at TravelPage.com
quote:Originally posted by joe at travelpage:Sutho, You are welcome to participate if you can do so without insulting other posters or calling them names. It's your choice - but any future violations will be deleted and your account may be removed. Joe at TravelPage.com
Thank You Joe, as I would like to add my voice to those who are tired of the rants and disrespect consistantly shown by said individual. Enough is indeed enough. You can agree to disagree, you can chat without ranting, and you can be politely argumentative without being vile. As spoken by Thumpers mom "If you cant say anything nice, dont say anything at all".
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