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Topic: Carnival Sensation - extra balconies

Atlcruiser
First Class Passenger
Member # 4586

posted 02-11-2009 04:06 PM

I just found this thread on another board and there are photos posted of the new balcony cabins that were added during dry dock. Not sure what to think.

From this Album

[ 02-11-2009: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]

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reeves35
First Class Passenger
Member # 6021

posted 02-11-2009 04:34 PM

Balconies at the stern look alright but the few at midship sure look strange.

It will be interesting to see how this update goes and whether Carnival roll it out across the class. Given the economic conditions I'g guess it will be a while before Carnival commit to the ongoing program.

Brad

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Dutch
First Class Passenger
Member # 14009

posted 02-11-2009 06:24 PM

I have never been a fan of the Fantasy Class, but for Carnival to tack on these balcony abominations... just dreadful. Looks like one of the Asian ferries where they simply build up and out.

They ruin what little aesthetics these ships have, look cheap... a bad afterthought.

IMO... the worst re-fit I've seen in a long time.

NCL must be happy... this botch job makes F3 look like a beauty!

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 02-11-2009 06:32 PM

I do not want to comment on how it looks (

) but I have a question: The balconies are pretty low -> Is she now too wide for the Panama canal?

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 02-11-2009 06:51 PM

The aft facing balconies on the stern looks fine, but the balconies tacked on the side at the stern and mid-ship looks hideous.

The lowest deck of balconies is too low, and the mid-ship balconies look like after thought. Did Carnival hire a 5 years-old to tack some lLEGOS on the side of their ship?

[ 02-11-2009: Message edited by: Waynaro ]

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Dutch
First Class Passenger
Member # 14009

posted 02-11-2009 07:29 PM

Appears that no naval architect was engaged. They just hired some welders to tack 'em on one weekend.

If they work, maybe they'll weld a few more balconies onto the side... fore ... aft... attached to the funne... wherever they fit.

Perhpas they should slap a few small condos on the bow while they're at it.

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Dutch
First Class Passenger
Member # 14009

posted 02-11-2009 07:32 PM

The welding scorched area along the bow is a classy touch too.

Passengers boarding this cruise must have been glad they chose to sail a Carnival "luxury liner"

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nycruiser
First Class Passenger
Member # 960

posted 02-11-2009 08:00 PM

Thats too bad it really makes the ship look pieced together.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-11-2009 08:03 PM

I did'nt think that beast could have looked any uglier but congrats to Carnival-that is one ugly ship!

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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 02-11-2009 09:53 PM

I had a better idea for this class.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-11-2009 10:01 PM

Great rendering Carlos. I wonder why Carnival just did'nt do 'French balconies' w/railings directly in front of glass doors. Those boxes amidships look like they are waiting for a wave to rip them right off the ship.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 02-11-2009 10:07 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
I had a better idea for this class.

Great rendering Carlos, but don't give them more ideas... Next thing you know they will be ripping out the public rooms for more cabins, and maybe relocating the public rooms to the lower decks...

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reeves35
First Class Passenger
Member # 6021

posted 02-11-2009 10:34 PM

Like the look Carlos buit not possible unfortunately due to those high mounted lifeboats. Bit of a curse really; they have always made the Fantasy (and Holiday) class look slab-sided and now they mean the ships can't have many balconies whilst contemparies such as Princess' Sun class have heaps.

Brad

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-11-2009 10:51 PM

The location of the boats would'nt really matter but it is the placement of the main public rooms high in the superstructure. Newbuilds generally have the reverse deck layout w/cabins up top and principle public rooms down low

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 02-11-2009 11:33 PM

This looks awful.

And Bruce, the placement of the lifeboats does matter - how are they going to be lowered if there are balconies sticking out from the side of the ship below them?

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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 02-12-2009 12:18 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Waynaro:
Great rendering Carlos, but don't give them more ideas... Next thing you know they will be ripping out the public rooms for more cabins, and maybe relocating the public rooms to the lower decks...

Yes, that was the idea, stripping the ship's interior and partitions and relocating the public spaces to the lower decks and cabins in the upper decks. Might be impossible or not depending on many factors but the most important thing here would be the economics of doing this.

quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
This looks awful.
And Bruce, the placement of the lifeboats does matter - how are they going to be lowered if there are balconies sticking out from the side of the ship below them?

The boats will stick out more so than the balconies or the davits can fold down as they already do, the problem with this is that lifeboats when lowered for any reason (maintenance, drills, etc.) will be passing on front of the balcony cabins.

It is sad that the ship's exterior design was not taken into account. Same goes for NCL's EPIC.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 02-12-2009 12:39 AM

This is a joke isn't it ?

Has Farcus started doing the experiors of Carnival ships as well ?

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 02-12-2009 12:54 AM

Wow...its..um...... ugly.

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 02-12-2009 01:51 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:
The boats will stick out more so than the balconies or the davits can fold down as they already do, the problem with this is that lifeboats when lowered for any reason (maintenance, drills, etc.) will be passing on front of the balcony cabins.

This would be such an expensive change I think you might as well just move the boats lower down on the ship at that point.

After all, you would already be reversing the location of the cabins and the public rooms. Basically you would have to rebuild the whole ship from the hull up, why keep the lifeboats where they are in that case?

Anyway there is no way Carnival would spend that kind of money refitting these ships or any ships for that matter.

quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Has Farcus started doing the experiors of Carnival ships as well ?

I think he has designed the exterior of every Carnival ship ever built.

Joe Farcus is not a decorator or stylist, he is an architect who designs the entire ship.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 02-12-2009 07:57 AM

Sorry to disagree but I seem to remember that Stephen Payne was involved in the design of the Fantasy class (then the S class for HAL) and Farcus was absolutely an interior person. Sure I saw this in an interview with Mr Payne.

Just this looks very much like some of his interior schemes - bloddy awful.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 02-12-2009 10:33 AM

Unfortunately she looks a fair amount like the rendering I came up with months ago..

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 02-12-2009 02:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Sorry to disagree but I seem to remember that Stephen Payne was involved in the design of the Fantasy class (then the S class for HAL) and Farcus was absolutely an interior person.

Yes, they were both involved in the design of these ships. They have different jobs though.

Farcus is responsible for the exterior appearance of all the Carnival ships (for example I believe he designed the "signature" funnel). He also designs the interiors - everything from the overall layout of the ship to the smallest details of the decor.

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Atlantic
First Class Passenger
Member # 20971

posted 02-12-2009 04:24 PM

I have read several Farcus interviews as well as career history. He takes care of the interior design and he designed the trademark funnel - but that's it. In this case I do like the new interior areas of the Fantasy-class ships (refurbished ones). Thumbs up for Farcus!

Now, as for the welded boxes, I feel disappointed. These Fantasy class ships have a lot of potential that is being wasted with these bad-taste additions, such as the one on the Carnival Liberty (Conquest class) suites over the bridge wings.

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Magic Pipe
First Class Passenger
Member # 6994

posted 02-12-2009 08:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Carlos Fernandez:

The boats will stick out more so than the balconies or the davits can fold down as they already do, the problem with this is that lifeboats when lowered for any reason (maintenance, drills, etc.) will be passing on front of the balcony cabins.

Keep in mind that the boats need to be able to be lowered with the ship listed at 25 degrees.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-12-2009 08:25 PM

quote:
Originally posted by dougnewman:
This looks awful.
And Bruce, the placement of the lifeboats does matter - how are they going to be lowered if there are balconies sticking out from the side of the ship below them?

I meant from Carlos' rendering. The boats would still be high up followed by decks of Verandas (flush with hull) and finally the public rooms on the lower decks.

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