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ola
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posted 07-30-2008 02:37 AM      Profile for ola   Email ola   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A while ago, I read that RCCL has ordered another Freedom Class ship from Aker. Is that correct? I haven´t seen anything since.
When will it be delivered? After Allure of the Seas or?

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posted 07-30-2008 04:55 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
OASIS is due next year, ALLURE in 2010 and an as-yet unnamed Freedom-class ship (the 4th in the series) in 2011.

Tony


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Brian131489
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posted 07-30-2008 06:38 AM      Profile for Brian131489     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If my memory serves me correct, I don't think that there was anything in stone about the 4th freedom class. I believe it was just talk. The only person that could truly comment about it is Akerbuilder, I haven't seen him on here lately. I don't think that the 4th freedom class is going to get that much press, with everyone watching the oasis and wanting more info...
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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 07-30-2008 02:10 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the press release from Aker Yards earlier this year:

quote:
3.3.2008

Aker Yards and Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. have reached an understanding regarding the basis on which Royal Caribbean will order a fourth ship in the Freedom class -- currently the world's largest cruise ship. The vessel would be delivered in the second half of 2011. The placement of the order is still subject to a number of conditions, including board approval and finalization of terms and conditions.

Aker Yards, has previously delivered two of these record breaking cruise ships, and will deliver the third ship in April this year from its yard in Turku. This fourth vessel is scheduled to be delivered second half 2011.

The Freedom class vessels will be 126 feet by 1,112 feet (38.6 meters by 339 meters), and will stand 18 decks high. Their gross tonnage is 158.000. The ships will carry 3,600 guests, and 1,400 crew members.



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posted 07-30-2008 06:08 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You are partially right. Freedom 4 is not ordered but in the process. Ordering a ship requires several steps.
1) RCCL decides what they want to build.
2) RCCL goes to it's board and big stock holders to vote on whether to pursue the ship.
(Usually goes back to step 1 when build is disapproved)
3) They pick a ship yard and ask them if they would build it.
4) The ship yard makes a cost offer and time schedule for construction.
5) RCCL goes to it's board and big stock holders to vote on if they want to build the ship at the offered price and schedule.
(Then sometimes goes back to step 3 if step 5 ends with disapproval)
6) RCCL then goes to the ship yard with a contract to sign.
7) The ship starts construction.

Right now Freedom 4 just finished step 4 and needs RCCLs approval. I don't expect RCCL to agree to a contract until Oasis is open for booking, that way they can estimate future earnings when deciding to spend more cash. They will probably want to have construction follow the two Genesis ships so I would expect a deal signed by August 09 at the latest.

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rd77
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posted 07-31-2008 04:03 AM      Profile for rd77   Email rd77   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's very informative. Nice! Thanks!

quote:
Originally posted by DEIx15x8:
You are partially right. Freedom 4 is not ordered but in the process. Ordering a ship requires several steps....
[ 07-30-2008: Message edited by: DEIx15x8 ]


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AKer builder
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posted 07-31-2008 01:00 PM      Profile for AKer builder   Email AKer builder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Actually most people on the yard don't belive enimoore that F4 will be ordered.
It was a important condition that IOTS delivered on time, we did it one dady ahead, but still nothing.
There allso another angle, with oasis was set several new safety standards and F4 should include all that, basically it means to redesign whole F4, witch is to expensive.
On the other hand there is rumours goin'g around that last oasis ship leave yard in year 2015.
Personally i like it better

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Carlos Fernandez
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posted 07-31-2008 06:58 PM      Profile for Carlos Fernandez   Author's Homepage   Email Carlos Fernandez   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by AKer builder:
Actually most people on the yard don't belive enimoore that F4 will be ordered.
It was a important condition that IOTS delivered on time, we did it one dady ahead, but still nothing.
There allso another angle, with oasis was set several new safety standards and F4 should include all that, basically it means to redesign whole F4, witch is to expensive.
On the other hand there is rumours goin'g around that last oasis ship leave yard in year 2015.
Personally i like it better

I knew this would happen, and with the economy today I think it's better not to order a fourth Freedom class until it is safe to do so. What I think is better is to begin research and design of a post-Radiance based on the Solstice-class to be launched around the 2015's, maybe they are already working on this.

2015? That's a long wait, from pictures and everything else I would think Oasis is up to date on construction. Hopefully not but maybe a small delay like what happened with Voyager.


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DEIx15x8
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posted 07-31-2008 08:34 PM      Profile for DEIx15x8   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does this mean that there would be more that two Oasis class ships. 2015 would be right for 5 Oasis class ships when delivered one after another. They would need a major redesign though for the third since they claim this current design is too delicate to sail outside the caribbean. They would need something like glass enclosures and different types of gardening to sail from other places like Europe and New York.

What has changed in the regulations between Freedom and Oasis. It seems like Oasis pushed the regulations to allow more stuff rather than changing what is required. Are these actually just things that were invented for Oasis that would be good to have in all new builds rather than something that is a law?


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AKer builder
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posted 08-01-2008 01:28 PM      Profile for AKer builder   Email AKer builder   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Technically speak .... i'm just kidding.
Oasis set several new safety standards:
Lifeboats - the are more than 2 times bigger, thats big change and dont't come for "free" so it needs some serious changes!
Watertightnes is completely something different than Freedom had! We are talking about WT compartments, penetrations, doors and whole bunsh off tehnical "shit" => a lot off DOLLARS!!!!

2015, for some of us it means "MAYBE" 4 more Oasis ships, at least it sounds good, but
it only a rumour!


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