It is interesting to see the increasing incidence of smoking bans. I assume this is a response to both the opinions of pax as well as cruiselines being concerned that they will eventually be penalised or sued under OH+S laws when a staffmember "goes them" for cancer caused by second-hand smoking.

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Originally posted by reeves35:
I thought balconies were non-smoking after the Star Princess incident, though this is probably unenforceable in practice.

It is interesting to see the increasing incidence of smoking bans. I assume this is a response to both the opinions of pax as well as cruiselines being concerned that they will eventually be penalised or sued under OH+S laws when a staffmember "goes them" for cancer caused by second-hand smoking.

Brad

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After July 1 this year every HAL vessel are smocking free. This by a new law banning smocking in Bars, Restaurants, hospital etc. only allowing smocking outside on terrazzos. The law also complied to the passenger vessels under the flag of the Netherlands. Now only smocking is aloud at the railing. Not even the outside (Lido deck) Sea View Bar is smocking banned.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:

After July 1 this year every HAL vessel are smocking free. This by a new law banning smocking in Bars, Restaurants, hospital etc. only allowing smocking outside on terrazzos. The law also complied to the passenger vessels under the flag of the Netherlands. Now only smocking is aloud at the railing. Not even the outside (Lido deck) Sea View Bar is smocking banned.

Greetings Ben.

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Ben - where did you hear this? I've heard nothing about it. Friends have recently been on the ship and they said smoking was still allowed on the outside Lido deck where the Sea View Bar is, on their balcony & their room, Ocean Bar, Sports Bar and some nights in the Casino.

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Originally posted by Bernard:
On the Eurodam sailing of july 2nd smoking was allowed in the Casino and the Oceanbar. Smoking was also allowed on the outside lido deck and the seaviewbar.

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Originally posted by sympatico:

Ben - where did you hear this? I've heard nothing about it. Friends have recently been on the ship and they said smoking was still allowed on the outside Lido deck where the Sea View Bar is, on their balcony & their room, Ocean Bar, Sports Bar and some nights in the Casino.

What is the new law?

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Bernard/Diane.

This is what us Roger and me was told aboard Eurodam. Now Roger is a smoker and wanted to smoke and ask where. They told him only on deck at the railing. The next day dedication day we where in the Sea View Bar (Lido aft pool outside)and Roger wanted to smock there where ash trays on the tables. But was asked to walk to the rail, and they removed the ash trays. Later one Dutch crew member explained that the new Horeca smocking ban law was in order. And that Holland America Dutch flagged fleet must also apply to this new anti Dutch smocking law.

That's what i heard. So I'm a bit confused. Oh well thanks fore clearing this up......

Smoking is banned in pretty much every 5 star hotel I have stayed at in the last 6 years. Never come across a smoking room yet in the hotels I have stayed at.

I suspect the cruise lines have realised it saves them money too in regards to cleaning and perfuming the cabins to get rid of the stench. It would probably attract lots of passenger complaints about foul cigarette smells in the cabins and people demanding another cabin.

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Originally posted by Sutho:
Its good news and a long time coming.

Smoking is banned in pretty much every 5 star hotel I have stayed at in the last 6 years. Never come across a smoking room yet in the hotels I have stayed at.

I suspect the cruise lines have realised it saves them money too in regards to cleaning and perfuming the cabins to get rid of the stench. It would probably attract lots of passenger complaints about foul cigarette smells in the cabins and people demanding another cabin.

One thing I saw at Singapore airport last month was smoking cubicles where people can go in sit down around a table in a large group and smoke to their hearts content. What is wrong with having smoking cubicles similar to that on ships or in pubs and clubs where it has been banned. It would keep the smokers business, keep them happy.

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Return of the smoking room?

I have tried smoking on nights out, never became addicted and have never bought a pack ever. I will never take the habbit up.

Honest opinion is that it is the second hand smoke that is turning people off. No one wants to be downwind of it and have their good cloths saturated with the smell of it in a ships lounge or anywhere. Its not the act of smoking that annoys people, it has more to do with the smell and other bystanders the smell effects who have just as much right to go places as a smoker.

There is however a perfect solution that also has the benefit of being a useful safety devise especially at sea, I would suggest that All cruise lines with immediate effect issue a plastic bag with a rigid frame to every non smoker boarding a ship which they should be forced to wear outside of their own cabin, this would prevent the wearer smelling any smoke whilst on board and in the case of sinking would give the wearer extra air should he/she be submerged, of course in order to make them fashionable the cruise line should add their logo and rose tint the plastic thus reducing complaints.

But think about this one. A line that is FOR smokers. Potentially the most profitiable fleet in the world.

I mean, come on, how can a cigar bar on a ship be a non smoking bar ?.

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Originally posted by glynn:

With the availability of modern extraction equipment and air conditioning systems the smell could be eliminated, couldn't it ?.

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Most big casinos in Las Vegas have excellent HVAC extraction systems that eliminate nearly all smoke odor.

I dont think that the cruise lines are losing any significant business due to the bans at all. They have obviously tested the ban by banning in areas, expanded and expanded and seen no drop in passenger numbers.

Its an unfair comparisson to suggest some ports smell worst than cigarette smoke.

Excuse me if I am coming off as self righteous. The effects of 2nd hand smoke are a well known and dangerous health hazard.

Fussing about paying 4$ for a gallon of gas, but wont blink twice about paying 5$ for a single pack of cigarettes?

By the way, my name is David.

[ 07-31-2008: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]

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Originally posted by glynn:
Sutho,
Clearly you are one of the thankfully few people would would ban anything that other people do that doesn't agree with your very narrow view of things.
We all have habbits and addictions like certain drinks, certain foods we cant go without which is why I think smokers should get their own little hideaways.
.........................You see for all the people might be offended by the presence of a smoker, many others may be even more offended by the presence of a bigot, especially on a cruise and especially if that bigot is not in his allotted hideaway.

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I am in favor of a 'smoking lounge'-one indoor and one outdoor on a cruise ship. This IMO will prevent people from sneaking.

Those with a tobacco addiction find it VERY hard to quit. Nicotine plays with the brain receptors and when deprived act up. Look at it as a health problem not a character flaw.

Pipe smoke, marijuana smoke does not bother me. Cigarette and cigar smoke cause me a clogged respiratory system. Go figure.

One 20yo smoker I know said that if she knew at age 15 when she started what she knows now she never would have gotten into smoking.

Glynn, your strong pro-smoking opinions make you sound like a crackpot or a tobacco lobby shill. I would cool it before you get further attacks JMHO

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Glynn, your strong pro-smoking opinions make you sound like a crackpot or a tobacco lobby shill. [...]

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Other really cool things cigarettes include:

Ammonia: Household cleaner
Angelica root extract: Known to cause cancer in animals
Arsenic: Used in rat poisons
Benzene: Used in making dyes, synthetic rubber
Butane: Gas; used in lighter fluid
Carbon monoxide: Poisonous gas
Cadmium: Used in batteries
Cyanide: Deadly poison
DDT: A banned insecticide
Ethyl Furoate: Causes liver damage in animals
Lead: Poisonous in high doses
Formaldehiyde: Used to preserve dead specimens
Methoprene: Insecticide
Megastigmatrienone: Chemical naturally found in grapefruit juice
Maltitol: Sweetener for diabetics
Napthalene: Ingredient in mothballs
Methyl isocyanate: Its accidental release killed 2000 people in Bhopal, India in 1984
Polonium: Cancer-causing radioactive element

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