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Topic: Carnival Concept Video

ibcrazy3933
First Class Passenger
Member # 14686

posted 04-25-2008 09:33 AM

Does anybody know what happened to the carnival concept video that showed the pinnacle project design?
I had it saved to my hard drive but an unfortunate accident on my last cruise resulted in my HD being cleared.

Thanks,

Logan

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HomeLines
First Class Passenger
Member # 1707

posted 04-25-2008 01:40 PM

it was taken off of most sites because apparently it shouldn't have been out there. I have it still on my hard drive. Send me an email if you would like a copy.

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ola
First Class Passenger
Member # 13346

posted 04-26-2008 03:07 PM

Hi!
Does anyone want to post me the video showing the Carnival Concept, Pinnacle?
ola.olsson@paulssonsbil.se
Thanx!

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dmwnc1
Cruise Director
Member # 3785

posted 04-26-2008 08:16 PM

I for one would love to see it again or have a copy of it!

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harborman
First Class Passenger
Member # 1248

posted 04-26-2008 09:00 PM

Add me to the list too.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 04-26-2008 10:06 PM

Home Lines, I would also like a copy. Thanks!

keitarocruiser@yahoo.com

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FL_Cruiser64
First Class Passenger
Member # 13706

posted 04-26-2008 11:35 PM

me too..

FL_Cruiser64@yahoo.com

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nycruiser
First Class Passenger
Member # 960

posted 04-27-2008 01:14 AM

if you don't mind I would like a copy too

justinmarcs@optonline.net

Many Thanks!

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jeffrossatsea
First Class Passenger
Member # 2962

posted 04-27-2008 04:59 PM

i'll join the list too please...many thanks in advance....jeff
jefffrancis90@hotmail.com

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 04-27-2008 05:36 PM

It might be better to PM each other as this is not supposed to be a general release video. Probably too big for some people's mailboxes too.

Pam

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Evil Jeremy
Just Boarded
Member # 14909

posted 04-28-2008 08:20 PM

I have the link. Should I make it public at the risk of it being discovered?

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ibcrazy3933
First Class Passenger
Member # 14686

posted 04-28-2008 11:43 PM

No, dont make it public, if someone wants it they can pm you.

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crntrx250r
Just Boarded
Member # 12571

posted 05-15-2008 06:17 PM

hi
can you send this to me too thanks
chris
chris@cniemiec.com

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FL_Cruiser64
First Class Passenger
Member # 13706

posted 05-15-2008 07:46 PM

There you go:

Project Pineapple..uhm..Pinnacle..

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ibcrazy3933
First Class Passenger
Member # 14686

posted 05-15-2008 08:17 PM

how many pax was pinnacle supposed to be?

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 05-15-2008 08:26 PM

wow that seems a higher resolution version than the previous one. looks very interesting.

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DEIx15x8
First Class Passenger
Member # 14958

posted 05-16-2008 12:15 AM

I'm not really sure what this video is. Could someone please explain why it was made. It seems to be some sort of Carnival vision of the cruise industries future. It doesn't seem to be anything that would be built for another twenty years. That suspended monorail system seems like something that would only be necessary on a ship of 400,000+ tons and even then it may not be big enough to justify one.

Edit: Does anyone else think that Architecture of the Seas is a slam at RCCL?

[ 05-16-2008: Message edited by: DEIx15x8 ]

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jeffrossatsea
First Class Passenger
Member # 2962

posted 05-16-2008 01:05 AM

yea i think it's carnival's dream to beat RCI in size and technology by the looks of the video.....even with what i just saw i still would'nt get back on board carnival.....though i must admit.....i kept thinking of the movie poseidon....i like the tram....jeff

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dougnewman
First Class Passenger
Member # 11349

posted 05-16-2008 01:06 AM

"Architecture of the sea" ("Architettura del mare" in Italian) is Fincantieri's slogan.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 05-16-2008 01:25 AM

One thing is for sure despite Carnivals statements that they are not considering building Pinnacle they are obviously keeping it under regular review, what is stopping them is the following :

- Dollar exchange rate
- Cost of Euro yards doing it - if it happens this will go to Asia
- Possible market downturn in US (Europe is not ready for a ship like this yet).

Micky has said a couple of times that Solstice and Genesis are being built at a cost that currently does not allow them to pay back the financing costs even if full under current circumstances thus Carnival will not go the same route. If he wanted to they could build it without finance at all ! but things will have to even out first.

I suspect there is also the issue of how they propel the thing etc and they are waiting for some technical breakthough that will allow a much more economic way of operating somehting this size.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 05-16-2008 04:41 AM

quote:
Originally posted by mike sa:
Micky has said a couple of times that Solstice and Genesis are being built at a cost that currently does not allow them to pay back the financing costs even if full under current circumstances....

That would seem foolish if true, but are RCI and NCL (F3) really being foolish? If the Carnival brand is allowed to fall behind that would be foolish!

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 05-16-2008 10:29 AM

Malcolm

RCI's credit rating was recently reduced to junk status indicating that Moody's agrees with Micky ! The concern is the level of debt and cost of it going forward against projected earnings. Whether RCI is taking a risk is unclear at least the result of taking the risk is unclear, much will depend on what happens to the US economy over the next 5 years.

As for Carnival falling behind, well they continue to expand outside the US and are refreshing their products to stay up there, also by not ordering ships they feel they do not need or indeed that are too expensive and waiting until they feel they are then they are even further ahead then than they are now without the risk. And if they did feel liek they were they could always right out a petty cash slip for their version of Genesis, or indeed a few of them.

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 05-16-2008 12:32 PM

I have been a vocal critic of CCL on these boards for years. I was particularly upset when they bought Princess/P&O and RCI got shut out. I'm also irritated by their cloaning approach to shipbuilding.

All that aside, I've never doubted CCL's business savvy. They are much better positioned to ride out a weak American economy by having strong shares of other markets. RCI is not only at risk for the massive debt they're accumulating through newbuilds, but a much larger share of their revenue is linked to North America. In other words, virtually all of their eggs are in one basket and that basket might break.

If someone could combine CCL's strong financial opeations with RCI's innovation and design strength- that would be an incredible combo. (This is exactly why I as sad to see P&O/Princess not merge with RCI...it would have given the company a strong financial platform, larger international market share, and a great design department. Uh, what could have been...)

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 05-16-2008 12:44 PM

BTW, this concept from Carnival/Fincantieri is brilliant for a few reasons:

1. by having a narrow superstructure and braod promenade deck it solves a common problem for larger ships (including Genesis perhaps)--not enough deck space.

2. The tram is a great solution for getting passengers around a very large ship, and it offers quite a view.

3. For being so large, the ship is actually well proportioned and good looking.

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cruiseshipluver
First Class Passenger
Member # 5104

posted 05-16-2008 02:53 PM

I really do not know what to think about this...vessel. Some of the concepts are nice though. The skycar is innovative but its works will probably be complicated. Maybe like a rollercoaster. The funnel is quite large and is a combination of the Spirit and Splendor class funnel. I hope they use some of the concepts but not build that.
cruiseshipluver

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