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Jay
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posted 04-05-2008 10:19 AM      Profile for Jay   Email Jay   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

The gorgeous little Madagascar ex Stella Maris is to be sold at auction on 14 April in Durban, SA.

She has been laid up since 2005 after the collapse of her operator Indian Ocean Cruises, she was to start cruises last November with a new SA cruise line Razzmatazz Ocean Cruises, but this failed and the ship was arrested again..

The SA cruise industry has had a few problems the last few years, first Olympia Countess gets arrested while on charter to only cruise co Starlight, Royal African Cruises never happened and advertised cruises onboard Madagascar, the IOC and Razzmatazz both plan to use her and nothing successful as of yet..

Will be intresting to see her buys her,, hopefully no breakers,, Razzmatazz is apparently to aquire the vessel and to operate her.. Will see what happens...

Would love to see this little gem cruising in Med!!

See some info on sale and pics at

http://www.admiralty.co.za/photograph.htm


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 04-05-2008 11:05 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

Not too sure when all the pictures were taken but she does not look too bad .

Problems with no valid certificates could give someone a headache but it would be nice to see her sailing again.

Many thanks for the information.

Neil ( Bob )

[ 04-05-2008: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]


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mike sa
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posted 04-05-2008 11:28 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on board about 18 months ago, she is not in good condition, she requires all new plumbing to start off with and the furnishings etc do not bear scrutiny. As for galleys etc no way will I eat food out of there, very poor.

She is a pretty ship but buyer beware. Suited for the Med but was never a goer here no stabilizers.


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PamM
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posted 04-05-2008 11:34 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you look at the properties of the images you can see when they were taken. The exterior shots were in Nov 2005 and July 2006, the cabin pics with the flowers and fruit in Nov 2005. The other interiors are a mix of old and new, the galley/engine room are mainly from March 2008. The pax around the pool are Nov 2005, but seems the plastic chairs came in by July 2006.

A nice set of pictures, but I really don't hold out much hope for her as a cruise ship.

Pam


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Jay
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posted 04-05-2008 03:35 PM      Profile for Jay   Email Jay   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was onboard her mid last year and she def needs a big upgrade! But shes to beautiful!! She also has a slight list.

Would love to see her renamed Stella Maris and crusing the Greek Isls..

Will have too see what happens on the 14th...


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dougnewman
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posted 04-05-2008 06:29 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Frankly, she looks like a goner to me... Let's face it, she is very old and has probably not been well-maintained for many years. I think her fate is sealed by the fact that she is not in class, which does not encourage me about her condition. A buyer could find some very nasty surprises.

The main lounge does appear to still have some of that Sun Line magic with those great '60s Italian chairs and big gold-leaf mural, but otherwise she looks very plain and rather nondescript. Nevertheless, a charming-looking ship in a very old-fashioned sort of way, but I suspect she is probably beyond saving.


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mike sa
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posted 04-06-2008 01:06 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"A slight list" might almost sound like a benefit but is more the ship equivelent of only one leg.

The list appeared while she was berthed over by the dry docks, while she was at the Sea Rescue berth she did not have it. So must be 18 months or so she has had a "slight list to starboard".

Another problem they have never sorted is because of the sheer if it rains the water gathers in a large pool immedaitely outside the only door to the pool deck which means you have to wade through an ankle deep pool to get out, solved by placing wooden pallets in the water !

Nice pics but as Pam pointed out does not nessersarily depict her as she is now.


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posted 04-14-2008 12:21 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The big day is tomorrow 15 April 11:00 LMT in Durban. I note the valuation is only US$925,000 [without inspection] and this assuming she is SOLAS 2010 compliant and class maintained; is she?

Pam


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 04-14-2008 04:42 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

With the low reserve price it will be interesting to see if the person who was going to charter her for cruises from Durban is now interested in buying her.

She did have some re-fit work done in 2005 so it may not be too much of a problem to get her back in service again.

Neil ( Bob )


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dougnewman
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posted 04-14-2008 06:25 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I note the valuation is only US$925,000 [without inspection] and this assuming she is SOLAS 2010 compliant and class maintained; is she?
I have no idea about SOLAS, but she has not been in class for a long time.

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Jay
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posted 04-15-2008 07:18 AM      Profile for Jay   Email Jay   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
SOLD!!!!!!!!

She was sold for $900 000!! Sold to a sub of Enterprise Shipping,, she will be refurbished and operated in Europe!

At least she isnt scrap,,


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posted 04-15-2008 08:28 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

At least some good news about one of the older ships.

Lets hope the new owners soon have her in service.

Neil ( Bob )


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mike sa
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posted 04-15-2008 09:30 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To me it seems expensive given her state and limited future earning capacity. We''ll give a wave as she leaves.
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posted 04-16-2008 03:45 AM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
GREAT NEWS!! I am glad she isn't going to be scraped!
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Jay
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posted 04-16-2008 05:31 AM      Profile for Jay   Email Jay   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
UNSOLD!!!!

Get this... The Madagascar will be on auction again!!!

This is because the $900 000 is below the reserve price od $925 000!!! $25g!!!!!! come on..

So now the auction will take place again and if there are no highr bids the "current bidder of $900 000" will get her again???


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mike sa
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posted 04-16-2008 08:54 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Personally I would have taken that $900 k so fast they would not have seen my dust. Seriously doubt she is worth more.

Lets just hope she does not clutter up the harbour for another 3 years !


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PamM
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posted 04-16-2008 09:33 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
..especially considering the valn, which appears to have just been used as the reserve price, assumed she was class maintained and isn't. That 25k could easily be gobbled in additional fees due if things go on much longer, daft. Sadly I can see this dragging on again.. and then the cost of removal of the sunken scrap in 20 years from the harbour.

Pam


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posted 04-16-2008 01:05 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thats stupid!

Well good luck to her.


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posted 04-17-2008 05:40 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

I wonder if the price they are asking for the ship includes the fees for the berth she has occupied in Durban harbour for so long.

Neil ( Bob )


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PamM
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posted 04-17-2008 09:19 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you read the T&Cs of sale in the above linked site you will see she is sold completely free of all encumbrances, liens, charges, arrests & attachments.. everything. VAT is payable on top of the purchase price and also there is an additional payment for the bunkers aboard which the purchaser is obliged to have.

Pam


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Willem
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posted 04-21-2008 04:43 AM      Profile for Willem        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sale of Madagascar not concluded

The advertised sale of the cruise ship m.v. Madagascar was held without being concluded after the highest offer made failed to reach the reserve
price of USD925,000.

Auctioneer Capt Roy Martin of Admiralty Ships Sales told PORTS & SHIPS that seven bidders registered with six actually taking part in the bidding. A couple of bidders interested in scrapping the ship fell out early and the highest bid achieved was USD900,000, just USD25,000 short of securing the sale.

He expressed surprise that this bidder, represented by a Durban maritime attorney but thought to be acting on behalf of Greek interests, declined to go slightly higher and secure the sale.

Instead the sale has now been reopened to further interested parties and new expressions of interest are being invited. Capt Martin said he had already
received some interest from several parties which had been too late to participate in yesterday's auction but who had assured him they would
register expressions of interest before the cutoff date of Friday 22 April.

The court will then be approached to permit a new sale to be held or alternately in the event of no further interest to accept the lowest bid from yesterday's auction.

Details of the ship including her condition and of the procedure involving the sale is available on the Admiralty Ship Sales website at
www.admiralty.co.za Source : ports.co.za


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r.fiebig
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posted 04-21-2008 06:26 AM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why should the court "accept the lowest bid from yesterday's auction" when there were considerably higher ones, one even close to the reserve price?!?


Best,

Raoul


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mike sa
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posted 05-03-2008 09:41 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From ports.co.za .

The little cruise ship Madagascar (formerly Viking Bordeaux and Stella Maris II) has finally been sold, going to a Dubai-based concern for USD 926,000.

The ship has been under arrest in Durban harbour since 2005 and the sale follows an inconclusive auction held a few weeks ago at which the reserve price of USD 925,000 failed to be realised. The highest bid then made was USD 900,000.

Auctioneer Capt Roy Martin of Admiralty Shipsales told Ports & Ships yesterday evening that the vessel had been sold to a company registered in Dubai under the name Mid East Shipping & Trading. He said the successful buyer had bought out the option held by the highest bidder at the recent auction.

It is believed that the other party holding the option was from the well-known Greek shipping family Restis, which in the late 1990s acquired the bulk shipping operations of SA Marine Corporation, better known as Safmarine.

It is not known what the new owner intends for the Madagascar although Capt Martin said he was of the opinion that the ship is heading for the breakers, perhaps after a short period of operation in either the Middle East or the Mediterranean.


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posted 05-03-2008 11:28 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Topaz was sold for $670/LDT, which makes $926,000 less than Madagascar's scrap value [1984 LDT], but there are the other costs too, bunkers etc. I suggest Dubai is just the scrap broker?

Pam


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