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mike sa
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posted 02-06-2008 10:27 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is reported here to day in the Mercury newspaper that she will go to auction later this month, she is currently under arrest and berthed next to the main car terminal clearly visable from the City centre.

I am led to believe that they will take almost anything (under the $1 million) so could be a good buy for someone - note she is not suitable for deep sea cruising.


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Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES
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posted 02-06-2008 11:36 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Mike

Why is this ship now considered unsuitable for deep sea cruising ?

In the past, when she was with Viking Cruises, and named Viking Bordeaux, she has cruised around Europe, crossed the Atlantic, and cruised to the Falkland Islands and South America.

Neil ( Bob )


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ahrpd
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posted 02-06-2008 11:41 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She would be an ideal and worthy addition to the growing fleet of small ships cruising along the increasingly popular Croatian coast, joining the likes of DALMACIJA, ARION, MONET et al.

Tony


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posted 02-06-2008 01:48 PM      Profile for rdv1111   Email rdv1111   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My understanding on this ship is that she is no longer classed for all oceans/operating areas and has not been for sometime.

I believe her class restricts her distance from land operations.

This is probably one of the reasons no one is really interested in her.


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r.fiebig
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posted 02-06-2008 02:32 PM      Profile for r.fiebig   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I do agree with that, Tony!


Best,

Raoul


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posted 02-06-2008 04:15 PM      Profile for Cunard Fan   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It seems to me like she would make a great super yacht. Or a river boat.
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posted 02-06-2008 04:57 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
It seems to me like she would make a great super yacht. Or a river boat.

Or better yet, razor blades. Like most of the old unseaworthy tubs that seem to get foisted on the South African market these days.

[ 02-06-2008: Message edited by: Brian_O ]


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posted 02-06-2008 05:16 PM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Brian O

With Mombasa being by passed by most cruise ships now, due to the trouble there, is any shipping company going to position a new ship cruising out of Durban when they can use it in a more stable area and not have to compensate passengers for missed ports of call.

I doubt it !

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 02-06-2008 05:41 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
rdv1111 wrote:
My understanding on this ship is that she is no longer classed for all oceans/operating areas and has not been for sometime.

I believe her class restricts her distance from land operations.


Do you know what class that is and what restriction?

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Cheers


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PamM
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posted 02-06-2008 05:50 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What cruise ships out of Durban ever call at Mombasa? It's a world away and of no consequence except for maybe a repositioning trip, but then one just goes further east instead; Port Victoria, Port Louis etc
She does not have any stabilizers either. Hardly a heavy seas ship for around South Africa.

Pam

[ 02-06-2008: Message edited by: PamM ]


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posted 02-06-2008 05:57 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone know here draught?

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posted 02-06-2008 06:02 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
3.5m
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posted 02-06-2008 06:23 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Many thanks Pam. That would be close to perfect for many smaller coastal ports here in Oz. Sounds like she's a bargain, but I don't know her condition and what is required to bring her up to spec.

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posted 02-06-2008 07:17 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A wreck perhaps. See previous threads, here and here.

Pam


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posted 02-07-2008 12:35 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
As Pam said no stabilizers and she really needs them but would be great for parts of the Med, don't think she is suitable for Aussie coastal crusing any more than she is suitable here.

She is not in bad nick just very neglected, she does need a new sewerage system though and her interiors are basic in the extreme.

Pretty externally though.

Crusing from SA is based on our own coast, Mozambique islands (which are absolutely stunning and unspolit truely paradise) Madasgascar, up the west coast to Namibia and occasional trips to the South to a couple of South African islands known for their birdlife etc. Trips to Syecelles are less often but totally possible return from Durban on say a 10 day trip stopping at the former. Mombasa is less often and then normally as a turnaround for trips back to here, most cruises tend to be round trip out of Durban.


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posted 02-07-2008 12:50 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Brian O

With Mombasa being by passed by most cruise ships now, due to the trouble there, is any shipping company going to position a new ship cruising out of Durban when they can use it in a more stable area and not have to compensate passengers for missed ports of call.

I doubt it !

Neil ( Bob )


Mombasa is irrelevant to cruising from RSA ports. It was an important port during the liner days, but they ended more 30 years ago. As Pam states there are many other viable ports of call for cruise ships in the region.

Brian


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Pam M

Regarding passenger ships calling at Mombasa, we did it on a regular basis when Chitral and Cathay were on the P&O Far East service and running via the Cape with calls at Cape Town, Durban and Mombasa and then to Bombay.

I have also been there on a cruise from Australia, on ss Oronsay, when we also called at Durban, Mombasa and Zanzibar !

According to the Durban port write up and shipping movements information, the Harbour Master at Mombasa has said that over 15 cruise ships due to call there between now and April have cancelled their calls due to the trouble.

Neil ( Bob )

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Exactly Neil.. they were not round trip cruises out of Durban. They were voyages. 30 years ago is not today, times achange. How many vessels do those sort of trips these days.

Most of the cancellations are probably down to Costa Marina and Royal Star with Melody on her way back to Genoa. Prinsendam was due to call at some point and Seven Seas Navigator later in the year.

Pam


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posted 02-07-2008 07:13 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
mike sa wrote:
As Pam said no stabilizers and she really needs them but would be great for parts of the Med, don't think she is suitable for Aussie coastal crusing any more than she is suitable here.

She would be suitable for the Great Barrier Reef, the Kimberley region in northwest Australia and here around Adelaide in our two gulfs which includes the northern part of Kangaroo Island. She won't be going too far from land. The shallow draught of 3.5 metres will get her into most places. I agree about the Croatian coast and the Greek Islands.

quote:
She is not in bad nick just very neglected, she does need a new sewerage system though and her interiors are basic in the extreme.

Pretty externally though.


Thanks for that info Mike.

quote:
Cruising from SA is based on our own coast, Mozambique islands (which are absolutely stunning and unspolit truely paradise) Madasgascar, up the west coast to Namibia and occasional trips to the South to a couple of South African islands known for their birdlife etc. Trips to Syecelles are less often but totally possible return from Durban on say a 10 day trip stopping at the former. Mombasa is less often and then normally as a turnaround for trips back to here, most cruises tend to be round trip out of Durban.

Anyone doing these itineraries out of SA?

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Cheers

P.S. Thanks for the links Pam. I forgot about them.

[ 02-07-2008: Message edited by: bulbousbow ]


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posted 02-08-2008 12:14 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
MSC Melody does about 5 months worth of trips out of Durban each, Monterey was to have beased here year round wiht Melody soing her normal summer season but that obviously did not take place. There is rumour that Rhapsody will get based here year round in 09 wiht Melody continuing her summer season and even one of the Opera class being moved here in 2010. Other than that Silversea do a few cruises each year and we have a number of passing calls during the summer.

Totally viable to cruise year round, even winters are rarely below 25 celcius. And of course winter is peak season for game parks etc.


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