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ahrpd
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posted 01-28-2008 11:50 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bad news from Fred Olsen. From Seatrade Insider:

Balmoral’s first cruise cancelled
28/1/2008
Fred. Olsen Cruise Lines has cancelled the inaugural cruise of its latest ship, Balmoral, due to depart for the Canary Islands on Wednesday.
The ship arrived in Dover last Friday, four days later than originally scheduled, having undergone an extensive refit at Blohm+Voss, including a substantial lengthening process. ‘A number of technical issues have now arisen and, consequently, further essential work must be undertaken before the ship can commence her cruise programme,’ reports the cruise line.

Fred. Olsen’s managing director, Mike Rodwell said: ‘Naturally, we are extremely disappointed that we had to take this difficult decision and have apologised to the customers affected by it. The complex lengthening and refurbishment work onboard has been ongoing since we took delivery of the ship in November 2007 and we were confident that the vessel would be ready for service in good time. However, a number of unforeseen technical issues have emerged in the past week and these have led to this unfortunate decision being taken.’

The cruise line is fully compensating all passengers and the second planned cruise, to the Caribbean, due to depart Dover on February 13, remains on schedule.


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Report from Lloyds List...

quote:

Technical bug cancels Balmoral inaugural cruise

By Sandra Speares - Monday 28 January 2008

FRED. Olsen Cruise Lines was forced to cancel the inaugural cruise of its new ship Balmoral citing technical difficulties.

The ship, which had been due to depart on Wednesday, has now arrived in Dover but the company said that further essential work needs to be done before the ship can start its cruise programme.

The ship has been undergoing stretching and refurbishment work at the Blohm + Voss yard in Hamburg where a 30 m mid section was inserted to increase the capacity of the ship.

According to Fred.Olsen’s managing director Mike Rodwell: “Naturally we are extremely disappointed that we had to take this difficult decision and have apologised to the customers affected by it. The complex lengthening and refurbishment work onboard has been ongoing since we took delivery of the ship on November 2007 and we were confident that the vessel would be ready for service in good time. However, a number of unforeseen technical issues have emerged in the past week and these have led to this unfortunate decision being taken.”

The cruise line says all those booked on the inaugural cruise to the Canary Islands will be compensated. It expects the second cruise to the Caribbean, which is due to leave Dover on February 13 to depart as planned.


Rgds,
Andrew


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posted 01-28-2008 05:07 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I hope February 13th goes ahead, as I am booked on it (though was rather hoping to miss out on kinks in the ship by avoiding the January Cruise).
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mike sa
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posted 01-29-2008 09:26 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For technical issues we can read "leaks" ? Or maybe it didn't line up proerly causing her to sail in circles.

Wish they would say what was wrong rather than waffle. Anyone know ?


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buddhaJoe
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posted 01-29-2008 09:34 AM      Profile for buddhaJoe   Email buddhaJoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi there

i try again, i posted this question last week:

I wonder don't these converted ships
have to make seatrials?? anyone knows?

now with technical problems arising
i would like to know...

for one who can answer hoorah
b.Joe


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recab
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posted 01-29-2008 09:34 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I´m afraid bad planning from Fred Olsen is the reason, since BVR is very experienced when it comes to stretching (which sometimes is much more complicated than newbuilding).
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posted 01-29-2008 09:40 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by buddhaJoe:

I wonder don't these converted ships
have to make seatrials?? anyone knows?

Of course they will make seatrials.


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posted 01-29-2008 11:04 AM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Off course she will have to take sea trial tests again. She was cut in half and had a piece put in so you have to see how she will sail with the new tonnage, length and water flow and so on. All ships I believe undergo some sort of after testing when and addition has been made.
cruiseshipluver

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Tom Burke
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posted 01-29-2008 11:26 AM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
I´m afraid bad planning from Fred Olsen is the reason, since BVR is very experienced when it comes to stretching (which sometimes is much more complicated than newbuilding).

But the yard must have accepted the timetable, or they wouldn't have got the job......


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ahrpd
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posted 01-29-2008 11:57 AM      Profile for ahrpd     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Recab

I known Lloyd Werft, Bremehaven, have had considerable experience in lengthenings etc, but have Blohm & Voss, Hamburg, done many such jobs?

Tony


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posted 01-29-2008 02:45 PM      Profile for buddhaJoe   Email buddhaJoe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
hi there

in answer to my question ...

Off course she will have to take sea trial tests again. She was cut in half and had a piece put in so you have to see how she will sail with the new tonnage, length and water flow and so on. All ships I believe undergo some sort of after testing when and addition has been made.
cruiseshipluver

well as i 've been monitoring her progress during
this conversion, her voyage from Hamburg to Dover last week was her first since this conversion, so if problems would arise she would NOT be at the yard to make repairs or adjustments

regards
b. Joe


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posted 01-31-2008 08:13 AM      Profile for Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Author's Homepage   Email Neil - Ex P & O & PRINCESS CRUISES   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi

Has anyone any news on where the new Fred Olsen cruise ship ' Balmoral ' is at present.

She was showing on the AIS system for Dover but has vanished and does not appear to show today on an aerial view of the port.

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 01-31-2008 09:05 AM      Profile for greybeard     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Neil Whitmore ( Bob ):
Hi

Has anyone any news on where the new Fred Olsen cruise ship ' Balmoral ' is at present.


According the the ship locator on Fred Olsen's website, she's out in the North Sea, somewhat to the east of the Thames estuary.

Perhaps she's taking a trip to FOCL HQ in Ipswich, to explain what caused the delays.

Ship Locator


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posted 01-31-2008 03:19 PM      Profile for dougnewman   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe she's now on the very sea trials debated here.
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She was out on sea trials last Sunday. Obviously things did not go too well with the press release on Monday. Wonder if problems have been fixed. She has only been going relatively slowly today, but then the weather has been very rough [f10/11 in the Straits] and Dover was closed from approx 8am - 4pm].

Kent news reported the problems were "with the water-tight doors and fire systems". Different to the rumours circulating, but then as JMG says "ships attract rumours like barnacles".

Pam


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The reason for the delay from B&V is here. "Norwegian cruise ship Balmoral, which had been enlengthened at Blohm & Voss Yard in Hamburg, developed a list of 2 degrees when the dry dock 17 was flooded for the first time on Jan 17. The vessel was unable to leave the dock on Jan 18 until the problem was solved. It departed from Hamburg to Dover on Jan. 24, almost a week delayed. From our Sr. Correspondent Tim Schwabedissen (Sat. Jan 26 2008)."

Pam


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Hi All

Balmoral is out at sea again today.

She is shown as being in the North Sea off the south Dutch coast and moving at about 7 knots.

Neil ( Bob )


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posted 02-03-2008 03:18 PM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Balmoral is now due in Southampton overnight.
I assume its for continuing repairs, and as she is then due to move to the City Cruise Terminal, I imagine her first cruise will depart from here instead of Dover.

Anybody have any info?

Andrew


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Interesting. I saw her pass through the Straits earlier and head off west. I see she is now still a way to the east of the IOW and VTS is showing her just due am and berthing at 102, but then shifting to 101 [twice amazingly]. Maybe she will need a further MCA inspection too? re the fire doors and so on? curious, she is certainly getting about during her 'time off'.

The now first cruise is not due until 13th Feb, another 10 days, so enough time to go back to Dover, I am not sure they would change the embarkation point?

Pam


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quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
.. she is certainly getting about during her 'time off'.

Maybe the rudder is faulty and they can't control where she goes?


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What a beautiful day for the arrival of a gorgeous looking vessel. Wish I could be there, but the grabs are not too bad.

Pam


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Hi All

This is an excellent picture.

It is interesting though that Fred Olsen Cruises have taken the Balmoral into Southampton.

I wonder if, with her extra length, there is berthing problems for her at Dover besides the watertight door and fire door problems which had already been disclosed !

One thing which would not have happened, with her being late leaving the shipyard, was the training of the staff and in particular the catering staff as this ship will carry nearly double the number of passengers that are on most of Fred Olsens other ships.

According to the Fred Olsen website it is interesting to note that she carries 1,340 passengers but only has a crew of 471 !

P&O's ex ss Oriana carried 1,500 passengers, when on Australian cruising, but had a crew of 820 !

With two weeks floating about in the English Channel and North Sea lets hope everything will be ready for her first passenger cruise.

Neil ( Bob )

[ 02-04-2008: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]


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Hi

The Southampton port information and AIS website is now listing the Balmoral as sailing on the 12th February at 3.00 pm.

This is is a day before her cruise is due to start from Dover.

Fred Olsen Cruises have now decided, after the weekend gales, Southampton is a more sheltered port at present.

Neil ( Bob )

[ 02-04-2008: Message edited by: Neil Whitmore ( Bob ) ]


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Patsy has some lovely photos of Balmoral arriving on her website. The carbuncle up front seems to have all but disappeared with her added length.

Pam


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I almost always prefer a lengthened version of a ship. In this instance I prefer BALMORAL in her original shortened incarnation as CROWN ODYSSEY. Still a handsome ship though.

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