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Topic: Any chance of raising the Sea Diamond?

J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 04-06-2007 04:53 PM

I don't know if it's feasible or not, but she seems to have sunk in fairly shallow waters, do you think they might try to raise her? or someone else try to salvage her?

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Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 04-06-2007 04:57 PM

Initially her stern was at 140 metres--that's over 400 feet, which is not really shallow. Reports are that the ship is slipping down the side of the caldera even deeper, so it seems that raising the ship will be unlikely.

Rich

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timb
First Class Passenger
Member # 5901

posted 04-06-2007 05:03 PM

I don't know if any of you followed the raising of the Japanese fishing trawler one of our submarines rammed and sunk or ther raising of the Kursk or not but they were very complicated operations on much smaller vessels. The only way to raise it would be by cutting it into sections that could be lifted with a crane in my opinion...depth not withstanding of course. The other question would be to what end?

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Corey H.
First Class Passenger
Member # 5202

posted 04-06-2007 05:08 PM

I know this may not be the place to post, but what was the Sea Diamond previously?

Thanks!

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 04-06-2007 05:18 PM

I suppose salvaging any ship is possible. The question is one of cost. There are a few reasons why the ship might be raised.

1. If someone actually believes she can be refurbished as a profitable passenger ship. (very doubtful)

2. Her scrap value is greater than the cost of raising her. (possible)

3. Greek authorities order the ship raised due to environmental concerns- leaking fuel/oil, etc.

4. The location of the wreck posses a threat to other ships. If she does not sink any lower will other vessels risk hitting her?

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J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 04-06-2007 07:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cruisincorey13:
I know this may not be the place to post, but what was the Sea Diamond previously?
Thanks!
[ 04-06-2007: Message edited by: Capitals36 ]

The Birka Princess I think.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 04-06-2007 08:03 PM

Most likely she will not be raised as 400 plus feet us extremely deep water and she may be slipping into even deeper water down the side of that inactive volcano. I believe that is deeper than where both Andrea Doria and Lusitania sank or the depth of a 40 story building! The fuel/oil tanks most likely will be drained but the ship will stay put.

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Linerdan
First Class Passenger
Member # 4719

posted 04-06-2007 08:29 PM

I doubt she will be raised , but do agree that the oil/fuel will most likel be removed.If she is upside down and still sliding down a crater , by now the funnel and mast ect would have to be torn off.Not to mention the top decks were never made to hold 24,000 tons of ship , so they will have to be compressioning and buckling out of wack.Be interested to see if the Greek Authoritys put a no diving ban on her?.

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Panos
First Class Passenger
Member # 1022

posted 04-07-2007 08:00 PM

I don't know what will happen at the end but Greek TV channels broadcasted tonight that there is a big concern that the ship will cause sea pollution and that it will be a hazard for navigation. Many specialists insisted that she has to be raised as soon as possible.

Another interesting part of the news was the interview of a retired Captain who said that if the ship remained in shallow waters she would not have sank and could be repaired. The Greek authorities are questioning various people to find out who took the decision to take her back to deeper waters and why.

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Frosty 4
First Class Passenger
Member # 5826

posted 04-08-2007 10:51 AM

THe captain who is being prosecuted said powerful currents pushed the ship on the rocks. I'm sure more will be said about sinking in deep water. As to being a hazard to other ships the draught on most fully loaded ships can't be much over 75'?? Didn't this ship sink in almost 600' of water?
Frosty 4

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chrisrotlmacin
First Class Passenger
Member # 4531

posted 04-08-2007 11:23 AM

First the fact that the ship was pooled back to deep whater is mistake no 1 .
At this link http://www.santoriniyacht.com/map-info.html you will see the marine map of Santorini . Clearly marked are deeps that cold allow the ship to sink at a resonable deep to be salvaged .Not analysing this grounding at shallow water is mistake no 2 .
In present day ships are not build like in Titanic era . Even if it had 2 or 3 sections flooded the chances of keeping the ship afloat are big considering that it took 15 hours to sink . So here something is not right . When you have this time why not improvise something to keep the whater coming in ?? Considering vesel tonage and the time is sunk the "water hole " was not huge . There are metods used in the modern merchant ships to lower the damage caused by this kind of accidents .
Greeks not have a good reputation when we talk about accidents at sea . In a company with existing problems the insurance taken after the sinking of the ship will be more profitable than run aground the ship and salvage it .

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Peter P
First Class Passenger
Member # 374

posted 04-08-2007 11:30 AM

Where did they tried to get that leaking ship?

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Panos
First Class Passenger
Member # 1022

posted 04-08-2007 11:36 AM

quote:
Originally posted by chrisrotlmacin:
First the fact that the ship was pooled back to deep whater is mistake no 1 .
Greeks not have a good reputation when we talk about accidents at sea . In a company with existing problems the insurance taken after the sinking of the ship will be more profitable than run aground the ship and salvage it .
[ 04-08-2007: Message edited by: chrisrotlmacin ]

I agree about the reputation of Greeks, I believe they are very good and capable "sailors" however they tend to take risks and sometimes they cannot feel the danger. At the initial steps of Louis, most of the crew members were Cypriot and the company operated for 20 years without any incidents at all.

Your comment about the insurance is invalid. Louis was very profitable during the last few years and the books looked healthy for 2007 as well. Any profitability problems will arise after the accident but did not exist before.

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