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Topic: Pride of America's Sister - WHERE is she?

Rex
First Class Passenger
Member # 1113

posted 02-12-2007 06:11 PM

Weren't there originally two ships?? Did they cannibalize the other hull to repair the PoA after she sank at her pier??

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Jonathan
First Class Passenger
Member # 5201

posted 02-12-2007 06:32 PM

Pride of American sank at a pier?

Jonathan

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GregD
First Class Passenger
Member # 4176

posted 02-12-2007 06:37 PM

Pride of America sank at the fitting out pier in Germany when it was being constructed during a severe wind storm.

The parts to the Second Project America ship was incorporated into the Pride of Hawaii

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-12-2007 06:50 PM

Thankfully the second eyesore was never built.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 02-12-2007 06:57 PM

I just bought a 1:1250 scale model of the PofA, and have decided that I do not mind her looks. Yes I find it difficult to get by the fact that her bluff fronted superstructure extends 30 feet to far forward, but the rest of the ship is actually rather sleek for a new build. I was comparing her to many of my other models, ans was surprised that I did not find her all that unattractive. She actually somewhat resembles the Costa Victoria from the front. And in this case the hull art seems to work relatively well on her lines.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 02-12-2007 07:04 PM

Never mind. It won't work.

This link should work though.

http://www.smit-international.com/sitefactor/page.asp?pageid=692

[ 02-12-2007: Message edited by: Cunard Fan ]

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 02-12-2007 07:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Thad:
Yes I find it difficult to get by the fact that her bluff fronted superstructure extends 30 feet to far forward....

If NCL had added some windows (or fake windows) in the the vast blank wall under the bridge, her looks would be improved dramatically. I'm not good a photoshop, but trust me it would have made a lot of difference.

However, internally she is pretty impressive most people agree.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 02-12-2007 07:11 PM

I don't think shes that ugly. I think it depends on what angle you look at her from.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 02-12-2007 07:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
I don't think shes that ugly. I think it depends on what angle you look at her from.

Yes she looks great disappearing over the horizon and also looks great from above!

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 02-12-2007 08:31 PM

This was my "recreation" of the Pride of America. I lengthened the bow by 20 feet or so, and added a few more balconies to her forstructure. I also created a small private "suite" deck below the bridge, losing a few cabins. Lastly I raised the glass sides along the central lido deck to give her a little more balanced look.

Recreation

Original

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 02-12-2007 08:43 PM

Nice renderning - looks indeed better.
I also think that she is not that bad looking - compared to other contemporary ships.

The above suggested changes are of course not feasible - and I am not a big friend of painting 'fake' openings (windows, balconies) on this part of the superstructure. It is nevertheless surprising that NCL did not deploy some hull art to fill these large 'empty' areas on the front of the superstructure - this probably would help quite a bit.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 02-12-2007 08:49 PM

To bad they didn't do that with her. She looks so much better there.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-12-2007 09:24 PM

Her bow is not raked enough and of course the forecastle is 50% to short-at a minimum IMO.

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mike sa
First Class Passenger
Member # 5957

posted 02-13-2007 12:19 AM

you can't make a silk purse out of a pigs ear.......

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Globaliser
First Class Passenger
Member # 4153

posted 02-13-2007 03:46 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Cunard Fan:
I don't think shes that ugly. I think it depends on what angle you look at her from.

I hear that her exterior looks are really quite inoffensive when seen from inside the ship.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 02-13-2007 06:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Rex:
Weren't there originally two ships?? Did they cannibalize the other hull to repair the PoA after she sank at her pier??

There was only one hull obtained, along a pile of parts from Project America. The hull became Pride of America and the parts were incorporated into Pride of Hawaii so she could be US registered.

Pam

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 02-13-2007 07:16 AM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
...and the parts were incorporated into Pride of Hawaii so she could be US registered.

I wonder how many 'parts' it takes to make a ship Amrican?

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 02-13-2007 07:40 AM

Good job Thad

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Jonathan
First Class Passenger
Member # 5201

posted 02-13-2007 11:00 AM

What caused POA to semi sink when she was being built?

Jonathan

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 02-13-2007 11:06 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
What caused POA to semi sink when she was being built?

Jonathan

A severe storm. She has been flooded via openings near the water level. The yard then went bancrupt as NCL held the payment back - they nevertheless came to an agreement and could finish the ship.
(I wonder how much WD-40 they used to clean up that mess...)

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cruiseshipluver
First Class Passenger
Member # 5104

posted 02-13-2007 11:37 AM

I am really glad that the second hull was not done! I cannot take seeing another one of those vessels. Her forward superstructure could compare to a car boat/vehicle carrier.
cruiseshipluver

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 02-13-2007 12:26 PM

Except that the car carrier is more atractive.lol

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 02-13-2007 07:16 PM

quote:
Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:
Her forward superstructure could compare to a car boat/vehicle carrier.
cruiseshipluver

POAs inspiration seems to have been the rebuilt Royal Mail Amazon Class ships of 1960-after they were converted into car carriers.

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reeves35
First Class Passenger
Member # 6021

posted 02-13-2007 10:40 PM

quote:
What caused POA to semi sink when she was being built?

Divine Intervention!!!

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