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bmajor
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posted 01-31-2007 02:08 AM      Profile for bmajor   Email bmajor   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A CRUISE ship with almost 300 passengers on board, including 12 Australians, has run aground off a remote Antarctic island.

The 125m MS Nordkapp ran aground off Deception Island, part of the South Shetland Islands, about 5.30am (AEDT) today.

Tour operator My Planet said there were no injuries and the vessel made it into a sheltered harbour nearby.

Efforts were now on rescuing those on board, and a sister ship was expected to reach the remote island group, about 120km north of the Antarctic Peninsula, later today.

"There is no danger to passengers, crew, the environment or the vessel," My Planet managing director Greg Arnott said.

"MS Nordkapp has under her own steam been able to come off the ground and is now safely anchored in ... Whalers Bay on Deception Island.

"The weather conditions in the area are good and the situation is under control."

Mr Arnott also said a representative of the Hurtigruten Group, which owns the vessel, had been in contact with the vessel and "everything is calm on board".

The vessel is carrying 295 passengers and a crew of 76.

"All passengers will be transported back to Ushuaia in southern Argentina with the help of (sister ship) MS Nordnorge, which is also part of the Hurtigruten fleet, and other vessels in the vicinity," Mr Arnott
said.

Mr Arnott said the families of all of the Australian passengers had been contacted and the MS Nordnorge was expected to reach the stricken vessel about 6pm (AEDT).

The MS Nordkapp, built in 1997, tours Antarctica during the southern hemisphere summer.

It sails off the coast of Norway during the European summer and is suitable for light ice conditions.

Cruise ship runs aground in Antarctica

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mike sa
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posted 01-31-2007 07:54 AM      Profile for mike sa   Author's Homepage   Email mike sa   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very lucky, a rescue attempt in those waters will be hard to organise. I wonder why the passangers are being taken off, there must be pretty serious damage. Can you imagine if Golden Princess due there next year had hit the same, she would never have gotten herself off due to her size........perhaps Princess will reconsider.
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Cambodge
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posted 01-31-2007 09:09 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I note that the term "remote" was used and not "uncharted."

I wonder how accurate and how recent the charting is in this area.


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Ernst
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posted 01-31-2007 09:36 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Some regions are uncharted.
I doubt that THIS incident will influnence the decision of Princess to send such a rather inaquate vessel (Grand Class) to this remote area as other expedition cruise ships had similar occurrences (e.g. running aground) in the past.

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posted 01-31-2007 10:15 AM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm sure the newer ships have SONAR and some underwater sounding equipment. As this ship is 10 years old it may not have this?? If it did ,maybe at 5:300 AM the bridge crew was not alert to avoid the grounding. Some radio reports say there is hull damage.
Frosty 4

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911BOSS
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posted 01-31-2007 10:33 AM      Profile for 911BOSS   Email 911BOSS   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on the Nordnorge last month in Antarctica. During our bridge tour someone asked the captain if he had sonar and if not how did he navigate the waters. He shook his head and pointed to his eyes indicating that looked for for trouble. The way we navigated some of that was ice was really amazing There were times when I thought we were on a speedboat not a large passenger ship. I can see how this might have happened. My question though, is why are they having to take people off the ship. Is she holed? Wish we had more news
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Johan
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posted 01-31-2007 10:40 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
According to the website of the Flemish daily De Standaard, "a British warship" will make an inventory of the damage to the ship and will escort the cruiseship to Argentina.
There were 119 americans aboard, there were in total 19 nationalities aboard.

J


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PamM
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posted 01-31-2007 10:50 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I should imagine taking the pax off is more of a precautionary measure than anything else. A vessel was available so they went ahead.

Reports say they 'think' the outer skin has a few small holes, but not the inner skin and she is not taking on water and has not lost any fuel etc. She is now being accompanied back to Argentina.

As to whether the rocks or whatever was unchartered will only come up in the investigation. Other vessels have run aground off Deception Island too in recent years. Clipper Adventurer was one and also one of the Russian expedition cruises. Mona Lisa and Hanseatic have run aground off Norway. Then Monarch of the Seas managed it at St Maarten.

I do not think it wise a Grand Class vessel enters this area. Princess say they will make sure all are safe.. exactly the same as every other line. Grand? Princess has grounded before [Rhodes?], so whatever equipment is aboard it can still happen.

The Hurtigruten vessels keep to a pre-programmed route. The Capt selects the destination and the ship sails... in Norway anyway, must be different in Antarctica. So I then asked why he was needed.. Ah, to keep a lookout for all the tiny 'pesky' fishing vessels which pop out of nowhere in the way.

Pam


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Marlowe
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posted 01-31-2007 12:13 PM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just to clarify...an "uncharted" island would be one not found on charts of the area and I believe those are pretty much non existant anymore.

As far as soundings in the Antarctic go, from what I understand they are from many years ago beforemodern 3D multibeam sonars became the standard to making bathymetric charts. What the charts of the area probably have is only the sounding taken with a simple single beam depth sounder which leaves huge gaps in coverage or even a hand lead line which would really leave gaps! Many areas have never even received any soundings but if that were the area that the ship were, it would have been a fool's errand for the master to take her in there unless he had a forward looking sweep sonar which very few commercial vessels have.

I have spoken with captains who have sailed in the Antarctic and they tell me the coastal waters are literally strewn with uncharted rocks and dangers. They said they would never think of sailing down there without a forward looking sonar!


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posted 01-31-2007 01:20 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It is somehow surprising that there have not been any consequences after all the ships running aground in this remote regions.

Sonar equipment for every vessel is probalby too expensive (not that I would not like to see them having that) - but giving the increasing traffic to e.g. the Antarctic peninsular one probably should start a survey of the concerned regions - especially as some cruise lines already go there with quite large vessels. (the Grand Class is not the frist step in the wrong direction)

Going to the Antarctic is very high in my wishlist - and I think cruise ships actually have the potential to allow a reasonable number of people to visit this region with minimal impact - but some problems have to be sorted out urgently.


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posted 01-31-2007 03:04 PM      Profile for Marlowe   Email Marlowe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Not too many years ago, the only vessels that were cruising Antarctica were relatively small research ships converted to offer limited cruising. Smaller ships means shallow drafts, less oil to be spilled and far fewer passengers so that landings were available. These ships were generally fitted with forward looking sonars and the hulls of these ships were also stronger to withstand the occasional scrapping of bottom or hard glacial ice. Sea ice is generally pretty soft in the summer and not too big of an issue. If you want to go close inshore though, you want these features in your ship.

Allowing large ships with no ice strengthening or forward looking sonars to cruise the Antarctic Peninsula is in my opinion not prudent seamanship and a risk to the environment. The IMO should prevent such ships sailing those waters. However, money talks loudest and what Carnivore Corp wants Carnivore gets!

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Steve Read (sread)
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posted 02-01-2007 09:32 AM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Much Larger Version

(Picture - UK Ministry Of Defence / PA)

A Lynx helicopter from Royal Navy ice patrol ship HMS Endurance assists MS Nordnorge evacuate passengers to sister ship MS Nordkapp.

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Ernst
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posted 02-01-2007 11:10 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
see here for more pictures. the second picture shows the old funnel livery and can therefore not be uptodate) It says there that the evacuation has been delayed for 24 h due to a storm and that she has a leak. The passengers are aboard her sister on the way to Ushuaia.
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The BBC reports "It has been established that MS Nordkapp has an 82ft (25m) gash in its hull." but says little else on that. Reading around last night some sites said she must be leaking oil as the boom was out, others said the boom would automatically be put out in such circumstances "just in case" as they didn't know what the damage was.

Lovely photo Steve and the links Ernst.

Pam


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posted 02-01-2007 02:40 PM      Profile for Steve Read (sread)   Author's Homepage   Email Steve Read (sread)   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Nordkapp now at anchor at a Chilean science station at Maxwell Bay, off King George's Island.
Royal Navy say the booms were rigged only as a precaution, and there's no evidence of pollution.

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posted 02-01-2007 02:48 PM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aren't they the cutest little ships?
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Ernst
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posted 02-01-2007 02:56 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Rex:
Aren't they the cutest little ships?

Oh yes, they are.


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posted 02-01-2007 03:59 PM      Profile for Frosty 4   Email Frosty 4   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do I detect a slight list to starboard??
F4

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posted 02-01-2007 09:09 PM      Profile for 911BOSS   Email 911BOSS   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If you are talking about the closest ship listing, that is the Nordnorge and I can assure that it is indeed listing. My wife and I commented on it quite a few times, when we on board last month. It seems we were always walking up or down hill every time we crossed the ship. My pictures, taken from the polar circle boats, show the same list.
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Johan
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According to newspaper report, the ship is now leaking oil.
We will hear more about this.
If it is effectively a major spill, this will have repercussions I think about future cruises to Antarctica.
J

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quote:
Originally posted by Johan:
If it is effectively a major spill, this will have repercussions I think about future cruises to Antarctica.
I agree. So far, it seems the damage from Antarctic cruises has been largely invisible to air-breathing creatures like us. But once you get something visible and real, in a place where cleaning up is very difficult, there may be a real push to clamp down.

The first thing that I'd do, though, is to ban the drive-by cruises. If anyone's going to go to Antarctica, it should be reserved for people who really want to be there, not just floating coach tours.


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Personally I liked the old funnel design over the new one. Well if Princess and others will not listen then they will reap, it is only a metter of time before something major happens in an area like the Antartic far from any help (a Star balcony fire for instance) and while they may be good themselves it certainly helps when assistance is close by, Princess your mega ships are not suitable for the deepest south, they were not designed for the weather when it turns bad, it was not designed for contact with ice you are asking fro trouble. I would advise anyone booked on a mega ship to not do so, stick to smaller purpose designed vessels that will one enable you to set foot on the continent (you cannot with Princess) and 2 you will be safer.
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posted 02-02-2007 10:48 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I just read that the stodged Nordnorge (operating under an exemption from Norwegian authorities) is now facing a storm with 10 m high waves which will delay the arrival in Ushuhaia.

IMHO this shows that the Hurtigruten vessels are already too large. It makes a difference whether one has to evacuate hundred or three hundred passengers (....not to talk about more than thousand). Especially as the transit to the next port can be lengthly in such a remote region.

Some operators going to this region schedule their ships to go in 'pairs' being 'close' to each other - I am not sure whether this policy can be 'scaled up' that easily - so one could argue that it is better to have several instead of only one large ships in the region....

Nevertheless, as this is not the first incident of this kind it seems as if one should think about surveying this remote regions.

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Nordkapp [481 max capacity] and Nordnorge [463 max] are limited to carrying a max 350 pax in Antarctic waters, so with all the cargo areas and extra safety/fire ratings over and above other cruise ships are well able to assist in these sort of circumstances.. but only like sized or smaller vessels. Who on earth could assist with evacuating a Grand Class? Is Princess sailing her full down there, or are numbers limited? as a non ice certificated vessel.

Pam


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I am not sure - but how does the classification of the Hurtigruten ships - which do not have the highest ice class - compare to a Grand class?

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