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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 10-09-2006 02:42 PM

Check this picture out.

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-09-2006 03:08 PM

Is that from this year or 2004?

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 10-09-2006 03:33 PM

It's a lovely photo. I would guess this year judging by the red of the funnels? but that could just be the photo.

Pam

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-09-2006 05:01 PM

It was lousy weather both times. I couldn't go in 2004 because I'd just had surgery so made sure I was there the last two times. Checking through my pics from this year I don't have the Blue Funnel ferry on when Lizzie got that far. Such a shame they're both in on the 30th but from the schedule not doing anything, with Lizzie in 38/9 and Mary at 106. Course that could always change nearer the time.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 10-09-2006 07:57 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
It's a lovely photo. I would guess this year judging by the red of the funnels? but that could just be the photo.
Pam

Did Cunard ever change their funnel color from their original cunard orange?

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 10-09-2006 08:21 PM

Yes, the funnels have become a darker shade. This was commented on to Carol Marlow earlier in the year in a question and answer session and she did say that she had also noticed and would be 'investigating'.

Comparing to older pictures it is quite prominant, but I sometimes find it difficult to gauge actual colours when looking at digital pics v older scanned ones.

Pam

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LeBarryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 5308

posted 10-09-2006 08:46 PM

It does seem to be that Cunard has had several renditions of the "Cunard Orange". I don't think we can trust the comparison photo from when QM2 met the Queen Mary 1936 because the original Queen Mary has had a number of changes to her funnel colors, particularly when Disney was running the show. I also don't think the Long Beach Queen Mary gets her funnels repainted too often, so we might be seeing a rather faded color.

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 10-09-2006 09:24 PM

I don't think QMs funnels have been completely repainted since the bright red of her Disney years was covered up. Today they look more faded peach than orange/red. Red is a difficult color for some people and men in particular. Most men are in fact color blind and cannot see the different hue. W/QE2 and QM2, you would figure that since Cunard is playing up their history that they would get the livery correct.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 10-09-2006 10:07 PM

The Queen Marys funnels I are rather faded, probably becaues of how sunny and hot it is here most of the time.

lasuvidaboy your right you would think that Cunard would be using its historic livery. I always thought Cunard had some of the most, if not the most beautiful colors of any line. So dose anyone know if they have ever talked about returnig to there original colors?

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-10-2006 04:55 AM

When Lizzie arrived in Fremantle back in February her funnel was very red after receiving a fresh coat of paint at Sydney. The waterline colours are really the best test because until possibly about November Mary's was a different shade to Lizzie's. Lizzie's looked like she needed a paint job but now Mary's is the same.

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nathan
First Class Passenger
Member # 720

posted 10-10-2006 09:45 AM

That's not from 2004. QE2 that year had a much bigger flotilla of ships around her, and there was more fog.

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-10-2006 11:03 AM

It rained worse in 2004. But it was really foggy this year. Could hardly see down the end where Lizzie, Oceana and the Sagas were docked from the marina. It brightened up by the time the others left hours later but was also raining. http://emmerdale.org/linerlovers/fiveships.html

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Carlos Fernandez
First Class Passenger
Member # 6432

posted 10-10-2006 12:49 PM

And this one on a clear, bright day.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 10-10-2006 12:55 PM

Here is one I took showing how faded the QM's are in Long Beach...

[ 10-10-2006: Message edited by: Thad ]

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lasuvidaboy
First Class Passenger
Member # 4527

posted 10-10-2006 01:38 PM

The pic of the two Queens in Manhattan shows (at least to me) the true Cunard Red on QE2s stack.

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Thad
First Class Passenger
Member # 1224

posted 10-10-2006 02:08 PM

Interesting that the cover of James Steele's great book on the QM, which is just a graphic of one of her funnels, shows an orange that is almost similar to the current color on the QM today

[ 10-10-2006: Message edited by: Thad ]

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-10-2006 03:10 PM

I think QM's has always been a bit peachy, hasn't it? There was old colour movie camera footage shown on the local news back in January 2004 of her final voyage to Long Beach and it looked like that then.

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Cunard Fan
First Class Passenger
Member # 7530

posted 10-10-2006 04:06 PM

Hi Patsy. When the Queen Mary did her final cruise her funnels were I think a little faded because cunard had not been taking as much care of her as they usually did. Theres a picture, in the book that Thad posted above, of her funnel, in color, from the time of her construction that shows that she had originaly a much redder orange color then she has now. The original color is closer to that.

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 10-11-2006 12:42 PM

Thanks, Cunard Fan.

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Gerry
First Class Passenger
Member # 168

posted 10-11-2006 01:40 PM

The thing is, there is no "Official" colour.

In the very early days of the line, every funnel was painted a slightly different shade according to the painters mixing the colour in the shipyard. When the line used different shipyards, they each tried to copy what they best thought of as "Cunard Orange". It also varies according to which paint manufacturer is used. (A Behr paint Lilac is different to a Dulux Lilac which is different to a Crown Lilac etc etc, ad nauseum).

Its only in more recent years that colour tone has been able to be measured acording to a definitive spectrum. For QM2's funnel, for example, Chantiers did som eresearch into the colour, could not find it defined, chemically in order to reproduce and gauged what would best represent Cunard Orange. The supplier was different to that of the last QE2 paint so there was even a subtle difference to that.

The same goes for the hull colour. The colour of QE2's hull was a paint supplied by International, called Federal Grey. International did not supply the hull paint to Chantiers but Jotun which tried to match the shade as best they could.

The point is, its difficult to hold the exact colour as historically used by the line when it has been continually changing subtly for over 160 years.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
Cruise Director
Member # 301

posted 10-11-2006 05:53 PM

I hope that the Queen Vic's will match the Queen Mary 2's colours!

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