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Topic: SS Norway.

RCI 20
First Class Passenger
Member # 5609

posted 08-14-2006 01:09 PM

According to a norwegian newspaper (VG) has the work of beaching the SS Norway in Alang started to day.
It's all over.....

RCI 20

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desirod7
First Class Passenger
Member # 1626

posted 08-14-2006 01:49 PM

quote:
Originally posted by RCI 20:
According to a norwegian newspaper (VG) has the work of beaching the SS Norway in Alang started to day.
It's all over.....
RCI 20

NCL saved Le France in 1979 and had a longer career as Norway than she
did as France. Had the ship deen re-engined earlier she still would have been sold on the cheap since most passengers today want large
boxboats. QE2 is often fire sold, and IMO works far worse as a cruiseship than SS Norway did.

Norway has had a good life, longer than many of her contemporaries and gave millions many happy vacations. Unless multi-millions can be
raised, let her be dis-assembled in peace.

Hopefully NCL saved all of the murals and fittings to be re-used on a newbuild.

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J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 08-14-2006 02:08 PM

Very sad news. It's the end of a legend.

Peter Knego is going to Alang around October according to his site. Hopefully he will bring back anything that was left on the France.

I only wish I could have sailed on her...

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 08-14-2006 02:42 PM

I heard that. I tried online Norwegian translators and they were rubbish. Can anyone translate the article ?

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 08-14-2006 02:49 PM

Patsy,

Actually the article has been updated in the past hour. It now says that the tugs being used to beach the NORWAY missed today's high tide and will have to wait another 20 hours, according to a Norwegian Greenpeace woman based in India who's been in telephone contact with one of the tug masters.

Indeed her demise is a sad and long-drawn-out one! ...'Cause there was never a tale of more woe...

[ 08-14-2006: Message edited by: shipsnorway ]

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 08-14-2006 03:02 PM

Thanks, shipsnorway. Now this is getting interesting because I couldn't find anything expected at Alang except 2 other things expected tomorrow. No mention of Norway.

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 08-14-2006 03:07 PM

That sure is strange, Patsy. VG is not the only newspaper that's been carrying the story today. Check the newswire report over at:

http://www.travelserver.net/travelpage/ubb-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=3&t= 003788&p=5

[ 08-14-2006: Message edited by: shipsnorway ]

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 08-14-2006 03:15 PM

Thanks, shipsnorway.

Well if that's all true then it does look like they're sneaking her in.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 08-14-2006 03:33 PM

Patsy which site are you looking at? She has been shown as 'waiting' for scrap on the Gujarat Maritime Board for ages. Look under Alang on waiting and working.. you can see who's there to be beached and who has been beached. Some interesting ferries amongst that lot.

Apparently the currents have been very strong causing a problem.

Pam

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 08-14-2006 03:36 PM

That's the one, Pam. I bookmarked the link after you last posted it. But she's still down as waiting which is why there's so much confusion while 2 much smaller vessels have been listed as expected. One of them was put up last Friday and the days before had none.

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 08-14-2006 04:15 PM

The Blue Lady is listed with a "tonnage" of 47689, rather than her actual gross tonnage figure of 76049. Can anyone tell me how they measure ships at Alang? Is the 47689 figure rather referring to the light ship or steel weight?

Any help would be appreciated.

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PamM
First Class Passenger
Member # 2127

posted 08-14-2006 04:41 PM

ldt - Light[weight] displacement tonne.. the ship with nothing else

Pam

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 08-14-2006 05:11 PM

Thanks!

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DAMBROSI
First Class Passenger
Member # 100

posted 08-14-2006 05:59 PM

What is so sad....my husband passed away 6 months ago on the 17th of this month. I feel like another part of me is just dying with the liner.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 08-14-2006 06:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by shipsnorway:
The Blue Lady is listed with a "tonnage" of 47689, rather than her actual gross tonnage figure of 76049. Can anyone tell me how they measure ships at Alang? Is the 47689 figure rather referring to the light ship or steel weight?
Any help would be appreciated.

The 'gross tonnage' is not a measure for the displacement but for the volume of the ship. One gt equals 100 cubic feet. Therefore the different (consistent) numbers.

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Cambodge
First Class Passenger
Member # 906

posted 08-14-2006 06:27 PM

DAMBROSI - I know just what you mean.

Nancy and I had two glorious voyages on "France." We had no interest in "Norway."

Now "France" is almost gone, and I lost Nancy more than two years ago. It is indeed an emotional thing with me.

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 6373

posted 08-14-2006 06:31 PM

PamM, Ernst... Thanks again for providing me with the definitions. However, I am in fact aware of them and was simply wondering if it is indeed "Norway"'s light ship weight that is shown on the Gujarat Maritime Board website.

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bearbuns
First Class Passenger
Member # 6418

posted 08-14-2006 09:28 PM

Thanks for posting the link to that article Patsy. I am still able to read Norwegian and it was a very sad story to read in any language. I guess we all knew it had to come to this at some point and that there would be no 11th hour reprieves despite how fervently we all wished for a saviour of some sort, or how much we wanted to believe that somewhere, someone would suddenly materialize and lead her to a safe harbor.

Having seen so many photos from Alang, it's difficult to picture her being dismantled with no dignity or respect for the graceful and elegant ship she once was. All of us who loved her feel a great sense of loss now that there seems to be no question as to her fate. Then again, did we really expect a miracle with her moored so close to the beach?

I am saddened at the loss of yet another great liner. I am also saddened by the risks the poor workers, who have no choice, will face as they systematically expose themselves to the toxins we know are part of her structure. This will be a very long and dangerous job for them yet it is all they have to support their families.

Mostly I am angered at the Indian government who obviously holds the safety and well being of their citizenry in such low regard as to totally ignore the contamination that will be unleashed on the people and the environment once again. Shame on you India....

Good-by Norway...you will live on in the memories of those who loved you. Penny

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Indarra
First Class Passenger
Member # 6005

posted 08-14-2006 10:04 PM

India is still a third world country, and working on dismantling ships, dangerous as it is, is a welcome opportunity for many to be able to support their families and have the money to buy a small space to live or to buy medicines or the like. Dismantling a toxic ship might not seem attractive to some of us, but for the people who do it is their livelihood and a way to improve their standard of living. Put bluntly, handling asbestos (asbestiosis develops after 20 or 30 years) is preferable to watching a child or parent die because you can't aford to pay for an antibiotic. I don't think we should get angry at a country like India just because it is poor.

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viking109
First Class Passenger
Member # 6280

posted 08-15-2006 07:25 AM

Indarra you are right we cannot be angry with India for it was not their decision to scrap the ship anyway, but perhaps we should be angry with Star for actually exporting the asbestos etc. having finished with their once flagship and washing their hands of the problem.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 08-15-2006 07:31 AM

Sorry, but that's a lame excuse.
Just because standards in some countries are low does not mean that the situation has to stay as it is.
Thhings like the working conditions in Alang can not be changed overnight - and I would be very carful blaming anyone (as said, these poor peple do that to feed their families) - but IT MUST be changed somewhen - and the longest journey begins with the first step.

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Linerrich
First Class Passenger
Member # 4864

posted 08-15-2006 07:53 AM

Literally dozens of liners were scrapped in the 1960s and 1970s. The big scrapping beaches then were located in Spain, Italy, and especially Kaohsiung, Taiwan. I wonder how the shipbreaking conditions were for those workers, and if perhaps this business gravitated towards India and Bangladesh because of the inherent dangers.

Rich

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dmwnc1
Cruise Director
Member # 3785

posted 08-15-2006 08:53 AM

Eyewitness Alang
August 14: From our contact: "I saw the lady and waited for her beaching today in Alang. At last minute it was postponed to tomorrow morning (August 15) and she will be at Alang beach at 7:30 AM.

"From a distance she is quite a sight: graceful and marvelous are the words that come to me. Sadly, also tied up with two monstrous tugs for her last voyage, though."

Source: Maritime Matters

Im assuming by now it is a done deed?

[ 08-15-2006: Message edited by: dmwnc1 ]

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Patsy
First Class Passenger
Member # 5611

posted 08-15-2006 10:03 AM

It is. I posted a link to the Times of India in the other thread. They confirmed it. It's all over. Time to grieve.

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J.S.S.Normandie
First Class Passenger
Member # 6253

posted 08-15-2006 10:40 AM

If you look at the Indian president's website, its such crap. He has all these "nice" little poems and songs yet het is allowing his people to be killed and injusred breaking ships. Excuses, excuses, thats all we will get out of these places. The strange $2 mill clause, the crooked inspection, etc. No matter what anyone lese argues, Star had it in for the France and they should be ashamed of themselves. Some 50 years from now people will look back and be appauled at the generation who beached these elegant titans and ruthlessly cut the up, the workers ill-equipped and dying while the owner of the yard sits in his comfortable office counting his millions. It's people like these that will give us a bad name in the future. I know I am ranting, but I am angry. This was more than just the breaking of a ship, it showed...well at the risk of using a cleche...the decline of civilization. The fact that people have such low morals and care so little about history. Even the French didnt do anything to save their last liner!!! It appauls me. And now we will have to watch the United States and Independence be towed to some undignified placr just as the France and be cut up in the name of capitalism. I can understand that NCL might have wanted to get rid of Norway ofter 23 years, but the way they(or star) handled it was despicable.

Goodbye S.S. France, you were a legend among liners, and will never be forgotten....

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