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Matts
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posted 05-10-2006 05:16 PM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Celebrity Cruises Cancels One Alaska Sailing
MIAMI, May 10 /PRNewswire-FirstCall/ -- Celebrity Cruises is canceling one sailing on Summit to replace the starboard thrust bearing in the ship's propulsion system. The ship must enter drydock to replace the bearing, which will result in the cancellation of its May 20 sailing. The ship is expected to return to its scheduled sailings on May 27.

The cancelled sailing is a seven-night Alaska cruise from Vancouver to Seward. Summit is currently sailing a 13-night West Coast / Alaska cruise that will end in Vancouver, as scheduled on May 20.

Guests booked on the cancelled sailing will receive a full refund and a free Celebrity cruise from North America of up to seven nights, departing on or before September 30, 2007, excluding holiday and Celebrity Xpedition sailings. Travel agents will receive full commissions for the cancelled sailing, plus a $50 rebooking fee per stateroom when their clients reschedule their cruise.

"I sincerely apologize to our guests who are affected by this cancelled cruise," said Dan Hanrahan, president of Celebrity Cruises. "Although Summit continues to operate safely, this is a matter that must be addressed now. Our business is to provide the best vacations possible and I regret the disruption this will cause our guests. We will do everything we can to assist them onboard other sailings."

Celebrity has established a special help desk to assist guests and travel agents with rebooking, air transportation, land tours and other issues. That toll-free number is 1-888-281-9343.

The cancelled cruise is expected to have a negative impact on the earnings of Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd. of approximately $.04 per share.

[ 05-11-2006: Message edited by: joe at travelpage ]


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Jonathan
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posted 05-10-2006 05:23 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think celebrity is being very generous to those who were effected. Summit always seems to have a lot of problems with pods and now bow thruster. On the pods it always a bearing also, i find this interesting. Last alaska season she had to go in dry dock for a bearing replacement on the pod. I was on the ship after the supposed repair last season and she had a ton of vibration in the dinning room. That i suppose was from the pod.

Jonathan


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 05-10-2006 10:54 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
i figure that bow thrusters work very hard... might not be as hard as the main propulsion units. When summit isnt using the thrusters to turn, she is usign them to dynamic position or for lateral movement towards or away from a berth... So its only a matter of time b4 a cruise ship's thrusters have to be repaired or maintained.
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posted 05-11-2006 07:13 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Matts, the problem on SUMMIT is in one of the pods, not one of the bow thrusters.

quote:
RCCL pod plague continues
May 11, 2006

YET another cruise has been cancelled due to emergency podded propulsion maintenance. The Vancouver-Seward sailing of Summit, scheduled for 20 May and operated by Celebrity Cruises, will be cancelled as the vessel is dry docked to replace its starboard thrust bearing. “Although Summit continues to operate safely, this is a matter that must be addressed now,” said Celebrity president Dan Hanrahan. Royal Caribbean Cruises Ltd-owned vessels have been persistently plagued by voyage cancellations since the launch of Chantiers de l’Atlantique newbuildings with the Mermaid podded propulsion system. According to UBS analyst Robin Farley, the Summit dry docking will represent the twelfth time a Millennium-class vessel has been hit by this issue, bringing the cumulative impact on RCCL to $0.34-$0.39 per share since 2001. RCCL continues to pursue its legal case against Mermaid manufacturer Rolls-Royce. Rolls-Royce has previously told Fairplay that pod performance “depends not only on its design but on how it is integrated into the ship”.

Fairplay


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posted 05-11-2006 07:39 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Summit always seems to have a lot of problems with pods

Jonathan


It seems like Celebrity has dealt with pod problems on the entire MILLENIUM Class--I believe all 4 of those vessels have had sailings cancelled due to problems or preventative measures taken with the pods.

Rich


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posted 05-11-2006 10:03 AM      Profile for shipcafe   Author's Homepage   Email shipcafe   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:
i figure that bow thrusters work very hard... might not be as hard as the main propulsion units. When summit isnt using the thrusters to turn, she is usign them to dynamic position or for lateral movement towards or away from a berth... So its only a matter of time b4 a cruise ship's thrusters have to be repaired or maintained.
cruiseshipluver

They also work very hard on ships that do not need to be taken out of service regularly to have repairs made . . . .


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posted 05-11-2006 11:37 AM      Profile for Joe1690     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Yep, all 4 millennium class vessels have had pod problems. THe pods were designed to last 2 years but unfortunately they have not. The 4 Millennium class ships have had pod replacements 11 times since their introduction. The infiniy seems to have the most problems though as this is the 5th time that the pods have needed to be replaced on this ship. The replacement pods have occured in March 2002, September 2004, January 2005 (part of normally schedule dry dock), June 2005, and now May 2006. I am curious as to why the Infinity seems to have more problems than the rest of the Millennium Class ships. Could it be that this ship tends to sail at a faster cruising speed on average then the other ships, or possible the localities where it sails affect the pods?
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posted 05-11-2006 12:33 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Joe1690:
[QB]Yep, all 4 millennium class vessels have had pod problems. THe pods were designed to last 2 years but unfortunately they have not. QB]

I did not realize that these pods were "disposable", only intended to operate during a short life-span. I always thought they were a long-term component of the entire ship!

Is this true of all pods on every ship?

Rich, Amazed and Confused


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Jonathan
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posted 05-11-2006 04:33 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
If these pods are supposed to be disposable after 2 years then why just not switch to a different manufacturer. These seem to be some sort of manufacturer defect that cant be fixed and celebrity could save a ton of money by just going and replacing pod systems on all 4 ships v/ a dry dock or 2 every year.

Jonathan


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Ernst
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posted 05-11-2006 04:37 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No pods on any ship were designed to be disposed after two years. I guess this is a misunderstanding. I nevertheless also do not understand why they can not fix it - which bearing are we talking about?
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posted 05-11-2006 05:09 PM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
LOL, i tho\ught thst it had to do with bow thrusters....but we must realise that it is those particular type and brand pods that are giving he problems...i think the Millenium class uses Mermaid pods from Alstom (correct me if i'm wrong)...alot of other vessel such as RCI's Eagle class do not seem to have this 'regular' problem with their pods.
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Matts
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posted 05-11-2006 05:18 PM      Profile for Matts     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry about the bow thruster thing - that was me misreading.

As for 2 yrs - I thought that was something to do with ball bearings isn't it - certainly not changing whole pods. Otherwise surely they would have picked some reliable ones by now


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posted 05-11-2006 06:38 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Matts:
Sorry about the bow thruster thing - that was me misreading.

As for 2 yrs - I thought that was something to do with ball bearings isn't it - certainly not changing whole pods. Otherwise surely they would have picked some reliable ones by now


It's the thrust bearings that are causing the problems with the Mermaid pods on the Millenium Class ships. They are not ball bearings. They are ring shaped bearings that transfer the thrust being generated by the prop and its shaft to the pod. Without a thrust bearing the prop would pull its own shaft right out of the pod.

As for the statement about the pods only being designed to last 2 years? That is one of the most ridiculous posts ever posted on this forum.

Brian

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posted 05-11-2006 08:50 PM      Profile for Joe1690     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry for the confusion, I did not mean that the pods were only supposed to last 2 years but rather that the bearings were supposed to be replaced approximately every 2 years. It is these bearings which are the problem and have continually worn out faster than the manufacturer anticipated. Also, I mistakenly mentioned infinity has having this problem 5 times and actually meant summit. I don't know where my mind was this morning but it definately wasn't thinking clearly.
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posted 05-11-2006 09:37 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Joe1690 : but rather that the bearings were supposed to be replaced approximately every 2 years


That also doesnt make much sense. A mechanical peice such as that should not have to be replaced every 2 years. You dont see any other ships with pods and im asuming that they all share some sort of similar bearing that functions that same way only modified differently for the pod, but you dont see any other ship with pods having to have a bearing replaced every 2 years. The simple explanation to my knowledge of this problem is manufacturer flaw.

Jonathan


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posted 05-11-2006 09:49 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Also other podded vessels have problems - but the Millenium class appears to be the worst.

Has anyone more detailed informations on problems with pods (not only with the Millenium class)? (I do not consider 'bearing problems' as detailed description) Why is everyone so tight lipped about that?


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quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Also other podded vessels have problems - but the Millenium class appears to be the worst.

Has anyone more detailed informations on problems with pods (not only with the Millenium class)? (I do not consider 'bearing problems' as detailed description) Why is everyone so tight lipped about that?


i do believe that other vessel with pods experience problems somewhere along the lines, however the problems probably dont see the light of the media, hence we dont know about them? Happag Llyod's Europa has podded propulsion and you dont hear much about her having podded problems....not saying she didnt have problems but if they were probs its tight lipped...
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posted 05-11-2006 10:25 PM      Profile for Jonathan   Author's Homepage   Email Jonathan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wasnt at one point celebrity suing the manufacturer of the pods on all its milli calss vessels?

Jonathan


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quote:
Originally posted by Jonathan:
Wasnt at one point celebrity suing the manufacturer of the pods on all its milli calss vessels?

Jonathan


They were suing Alstom and Rolls Royce, but I haven't seen any follow up.

Brian


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posted 05-12-2006 01:17 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Jonathan wrote:
Wasnt at one point celebrity suing the manufacturer of the pods on all its milli calss vessels?

Jonathan, the above report I posted from Fairplay answers your question: RCCL continues to pursue its legal case against Mermaid manufacturer Rolls-Royce.

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As far as I know, MSC Opera and Lirica have pods, just like Carnival and Costa Spirit class, HAL and P&O Vista class, RCI's Voyager and Radiance classes. I think we've never heard of any propulsion trouble with those ships.

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I gather from other boards that there is quite a bit of unhappiness about the cancellation. Some passengers had booked back-to-back cruises, and of course Celebrity are saying that if the passengers cancel the other leg then they will lose their money - that cruise hasn't been cancelled by the company and therefore normal penalties will apply. Some passengers are countering however that this involves them trying to book flights to norther Alaska, whereas they had previously made plans to get to Vancouver for the double-cruise. And others are saying that they don't want a single cruise; they specifically booked two cruises back-to-back, and if one is cancelled by the company then they should be allowed to withdraw gracefully and without penalty from the other one.
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quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
As far as I know, MSC Opera and Lirica have pods, just like Carnival and Costa Spirit class, HAL and P&O Vista class, RCI's Voyager and Radiance classes. I think we've never heard of any propulsion trouble with those ships.

[ 05-12-2006: Message edited by: Pascal ]


Not all pods are the same and Rolls Royce is not the only manufacturer of pods.

It is the Rolls Royce Mermaid pods rather than pods in general that have been causing huge problems for Celebrity's Millenium Class ships.

On the other hand, ABB's Azipods have proved to be less troublesome to date.

Brian


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posted 05-12-2006 05:57 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Pascal:
As far as I know, MSC Opera and Lirica have pods, just like Carnival and Costa Spirit class, HAL and P&O Vista class, RCI's Voyager and Radiance classes. I think we've never heard of any propulsion trouble with those ships.

[ 05-12-2006: Message edited by: Pascal ]


There were problems - not as severe - but there were problems - some even got the attention of the public.


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i think the MSC pods work very well....
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