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quote:Passengers injured when cruise ship turnsBy Greg BarrFebruary 7, 2006GALVESTON — Several passengers and crew aboard a Princess Cruises ship were injured Saturday when the vessel took a sharp turn in open water.Two hours after the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess left the Port of Galveston at 4:30 p.m. Saturday, a passenger suffered a heart attack and required urgent onshore medical attention.After the decision was made to turn the ship around, the vessel experienced a “roll greater than normal” during the execution of the turn, a Princess Cruises spokesman said.When the ship turned, 14 passengers and nine crew members suffered cuts and bruises. They were treated on the ship.“The safety and well-being of our passengers and crew are our top priority, and we sincerely apologize for any distress this incident may have caused,” said Karen Tetherow, manager of media relations for Princess Cruises.An unidentified passenger aboard the ship sent an e-mail to The Daily News on Saturday night saying the vessel had come to a stop while the sick passenger was being removed.U.S. Coast Guard personnel met the ship about eight miles offshore and took the sick passenger ashore.The ship then continued on its planned seven-day cruise to the western Caribbean, and is scheduled to return to Galveston early Saturday morning.The Grand Princess began sailing weekly from Galveston in November and will continue its departures through April.The Galveston County Daily News
GALVESTON — Several passengers and crew aboard a Princess Cruises ship were injured Saturday when the vessel took a sharp turn in open water.
Two hours after the 2,600-passenger Grand Princess left the Port of Galveston at 4:30 p.m. Saturday, a passenger suffered a heart attack and required urgent onshore medical attention.
After the decision was made to turn the ship around, the vessel experienced a “roll greater than normal” during the execution of the turn, a Princess Cruises spokesman said.
When the ship turned, 14 passengers and nine crew members suffered cuts and bruises. They were treated on the ship.
“The safety and well-being of our passengers and crew are our top priority, and we sincerely apologize for any distress this incident may have caused,” said Karen Tetherow, manager of media relations for Princess Cruises.
An unidentified passenger aboard the ship sent an e-mail to The Daily News on Saturday night saying the vessel had come to a stop while the sick passenger was being removed.
U.S. Coast Guard personnel met the ship about eight miles offshore and took the sick passenger ashore.
The ship then continued on its planned seven-day cruise to the western Caribbean, and is scheduled to return to Galveston early Saturday morning.
The Grand Princess began sailing weekly from Galveston in November and will continue its departures through April.
The Galveston County Daily News
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One event was announced in advance; the other was not. During the latter event, the ship slowed down rapidly and listed about 45 degrees. Some people did panic as nothing was announced.
Especially in critical situations, there may not be time to slow down before turning.
Lowering and raising the emergency personnel is really tricky. They need to navigate around wires, and the helicopter has to hover at the same speed as the ship.
quote:Originally posted by fondaenergy:[....] the ship slowed down rapidly and listed about 45 degrees. [....]
Are you really sure about that? A list of 45° in such a situation is very hard to believe - actually nearly IMPOSSIBLE.
A ship is designed not to list more than about 11° (also due to rudder action) and this is RARELY exceeded - even under very severe conditions (and an airlift is not a severe condition for a ship) - people usually overestimate the list dramatically.
Pam
Rich
Had a modern boxboat been hit broadside by a 100' wave; YIKES!
quote:Originally posted by Linerrich:I've been on ships numerous times when there was severe listing, due to sharp turns. It always feels worse on board than in reality--a 7 degree turn really does seem like 45 degrees, although we all know a ship could not survive such a list!Rich
quote:Originally posted by desirod7:The Queen Mary 1 was known to roll to 45^. The Rembrandterdam survived a 100' tidal wave off of Casablanca where she rolled about the same in 2 directions before righting.Had a modern boxboat been hit broadside by a 100' wave; YIKES!
1. Are you really sure? Older ships certainly rolled much more - but 45°?!?!?!?!?
2. A freak wave might case a severe list - but again 45° is a lot.
3. The 'boxboat' would be the safer option.
Whereas it is easy to estimeate the forces acting on a ship due to rudder action - this is 'know', can be calculated and is actually verified during the trials - it is not so easy to estimate to forces which might occur during e.g. a storm as one has to estimate what e.g. the 'most sever' storm is - but even if the desing limits are exceeded there is still some 'play' and it would hardly go to 45°.A list to 45° due to rudder action sound like bu*****.
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:On a 45° roll or list there would be very few people standing!
At a 45 degree list, the only place people would be standing is on the wall...
I don't know if this is true or people exagerated all this... But I heard this several times from different sources.
It is not only possible to calculate this more accurately - this is actually verified in tests during the sea trial where the ship is exposed to severe rudder action - so it is not only a prediction based on calculations - these things are tried out in reality.
Here's a snippet from Gerrry, one of our resident ship builder experts...
...Passenger ships are so stable these days that a small roll of 3 or 4 degrees feels like a lot more. As far as this ocurrance is concerned, if the rudder went hard over for whatever reason, even at full speed, this is exactly what we do on sea trials and lists never go above 15 degrees or so otherwise they're back in the yard to get sorted out.
A decent, stable ship can go much further and still be quite safe. QE2 for example could list to 55 degrees and still come back to vertical. That would be standing on the bulkheads and looking at the deck !
Joe at TravelPage.com
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:On a 45° roll or list there would be very few people standing! ******Cheers
Rotterdam V was struck by that freak wave in the Med very early in the morning (around 5:00am as I remember reading) and most passengers were in bed asleep. Had it occured later in the morning there could have been many injuries or deaths. The force of the wave caused many of the deckchairs and loungers to be thrown overboard-luckily w/out sunbathers still on them!
quote:Originally posted by Pascal:I heard the story of the QM 45° list several times. People reported they walked one foot on the floor the other on the wall.
All the passengers were told to go to their cabins and lie on the floor. Being in bed was not a safe option, as the icebreaker was not fitted with tatami mats.
So I also doubt that fondaenergy's ship rolled to anything like 45 degrees.
Our ship had stabilisers, and had had no difficulty continuing as planned. It was just a bit rough. But fortunately, on my cruise there wasn't really any bad weather at all.
[ 02-08-2006: Message edited by: Globaliser ]
To my knowledge tumblehome on a ship actually increases the righting speed? Remember theweebles toys: they wobble but dont fall down.
Ernst, you must attend Sea Trade. There are booths of software firms that show simulations of ships flooding, twisting, and their motions in all types of storms. www.worldshipping.net
Seatrade is certainly interesting - maybe I can attend next year.
[ 02-08-2006: Message edited by: Ernst ]
Namely: Rotterdam: Casablanca:100-foot wave.
Is there a site where I can read about it?
Or can some summarize it on this site?
Was it a true tsunami? If so where was the epicenter of the earthquake that generated it?
Exciting, but no injuries, no damage (as far as we could see..the dining salon looked normal a few hours later) and no problems, just comments. Those pax not on the weather decks, of course, did not have a clue.
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