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Topic: NTSB Report on Norwegian Dawn Incident

joe at travelpage
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posted 12-26-2005 04:49 PM

National Transportation Safety Board ("NTSB") has released its report on the large wave that struck Norwegian Cruise Line's ("NCL") Norwegian Dawn on April 16, 2005.

Click here to read the report.

Joe at TravelPage.com

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Linerrich
First Class Passenger
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posted 12-26-2005 05:11 PM

Thanks for sharing this very comprehensive report, which more or less confirms what most of us believed in the first place regarding NCL's "fault" in the matter. It's unfortunate that, after the sensation headlines and accusations at the time, that this report will be little read or heard about. The Miami Herald had a 2-paragraph item about it, buried deep inside the paper somewhere.

Rich

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 12-26-2005 06:18 PM

Interesting report. Thanks for posting.
So these forward facing cabins have very proper doors for such a location - all the discussion some months ago, whether this is an apropriate location for such a cabin was finally needless - especially as even such steel doors were damaged.

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sealeg claude
First Class Passenger
Member # 5565

posted 12-26-2005 07:37 PM

Hi,
Now, if all those pontificators who jumped on their soap box after the incident and drummed up apocalyptic predictions and horrific allegations can now take notice, re-step on their soap box with an equal amount of '' enthusiasm " and do the right thing, the world would be a better place.....

The odds of that happening ??? Hahahaha....I prefer my chances of becoming pregnant as a 65 year old male !!!

Good that NTSB saw the logical explanation to that otherwise nasty incident.

Cheers
CG

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 12-27-2005 05:55 AM

Steel doors or not, these forward facing cabins have their weak point in the large glass windows. Let's say NORWEGIAN DAWN was very lucky it didn't get hit by something larger than a 70 foot 'rogue' wave, what would have happened if it was a 100 footer breaking down on you? And these waves are becoming more frequent...!

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Cheers

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 12-27-2005 06:27 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:
[...] And these waves are becoming more frequent...!

Or we just were not aware of the fact that such waves occure that often.

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
Member # 4440

posted 12-27-2005 06:51 AM

quote:
Ernst wrote:
Or we just were not aware of the fact that such waves occure that often.

True, before anykind of monitoring we didn't know if these happened often or seldomly, but since the planet's climate is changing we cannot discount that the weather (on the surface) and the changes in sea temperature are not contributing to this as well and making them happen more often.

******

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 12-27-2005 07:09 AM

quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:
True, before anykind of monitoring we didn't know if these happened often or seldomly, but since the planet's climate is changing we cannot discount that the weather (on the surface) and the changes in sea temperature are not contributing to this as well and making them happen more often.
******
Cheers

Of course - I did not want to start a discussion on the change of the climate - which is happening and certainly also contributing to this phenomenon.

I only wanted to point out that the only 'recently' the awarness of the existences of such waves has increased. A lot of ship losses which could not be explained up to now might have been caused by such giant waves - a cause for a ship loss which has more or less been excluded in the past.

Regulations (and the assumptions they are based on) for ship building will probably change. This nevertheless does not mean that nowadays passengers ships are not safe - compared to some cargo ship they 'more' structural strength and are certainly able to survive most scenarios. (with minor damage like broken furniture etc.)

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Globaliser
First Class Passenger
Member # 4153

posted 12-28-2005 01:55 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Linerrich:
It's unfortunate that, after the sensation headlines and accusations at the time, that this report will be little read or heard about. The Miami Herald had a 2-paragraph item about it, buried deep inside the paper somewhere.

One of the sad facts of modern life is that the fair and accurate reporting of events around the world is flatly inconsistent with the media's commercial need to sell the commodity called "news".

What we all need is an enforceable legal obligation on all news media to report stories fairly and accurately, including giving adequate time and priority to follow-up events.

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 12-28-2005 02:12 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
[...]
What we all need is an enforceable legal obligation on all news media to report stories fairly and accurately, including giving adequate time and priority to follow-up events.

Sounds fantastic - but who decides what is fair and accurate? So at the end of the day free speech as we have it now might be the better option.

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bulbousbow
First Class Passenger
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posted 12-28-2005 08:15 PM

quote:
Ernst wrote:
Sounds fantastic - but who decides what is fair and accurate? So at the end of the day free speech as we have it now might be the better option.

Fair and accurate? Simple, just tell the truth.

******

Cheers

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Globaliser
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posted 12-30-2005 01:14 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Sounds fantastic - but who decides what is fair and accurate? So at the end of the day free speech as we have it now might be the better option.

In the UK, we already have such a test for the contemporary reporting by the media of court proceedings, which they have few problems complying with. (The relevant provision permits reporting if it is "a fair and accurate report of legal proceedings held in public, published contemporaneously and in good faith".)

So there wouldn't be any conceptual difficulties with extending this legal test to reporting of general news.

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Matts
First Class Passenger
Member # 4120

posted 12-30-2005 04:24 PM

Interesting report - absolutely nothing in there which should worry NCL and all those threatening to sue should be counter sued for costs, wasting court time and grotesque attempts at self-publicity

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Ernst
First Class Passenger
Member # 5369

posted 12-30-2005 04:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:
Fair and accurate? Simple, just tell the truth.
******
Cheers

quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
In the UK, we already have such a test for the contemporary reporting by the media of court proceedings, which they have few problems complying with. (The relevant provision permits reporting if it is "a fair and accurate report of legal proceedings held in public, published contemporaneously and in good faith".)
So there wouldn't be any conceptual difficulties with extending this legal test to reporting of general news.

If there is a problem one can always sue the media - this is already possible. But any control which goes farther is compeltely unacceptalbe in a democracy.

[ 12-30-2005: Message edited by: Ernst ]

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Globaliser
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Member # 4153

posted 01-01-2006 03:31 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
If there is a problem one can always sue the media - this is already possible. But any control which goes farther is compeltely unacceptalbe in a democracy.

This is my point. At the moment, you can't sue the media on the basis that the reporting is unfair, biased and prejudiced against you, particularly when it's all those things by omission. All you can do is sue them if they print lies. The way that some stories develop in the media, the existing legal controls are now becoming insufficient. A heightened requirement that they report all stories fairly and accurately (not just stories about proceedings in court) wouldn't stifle any proper news reporting - in fact, it would tend to raise journalistic standards and improve the dissemination of news.

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