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bulbousbow
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posted 09-02-2005 01:09 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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Cockroaches found on cruise ships
September 1, 2005

Out-of-date food, cockroaches and flies were found on board four cruise liners last year, Which? magazine claims.

Hygiene problems were discovered when Southampton port health authority inspectors visited the ships including P&O Cruises' Aurora and Oceana.

They also toured Thompson Cruises' Celebration and Fred Olsen cruise lines' Black Prince vessel in May 2004.

P&O, Thompson, Fred Olsen cruises and Cunard said they had taken action since the inspectors reported their findings.

P&O Cruises said in a statement that it had acted promptly in response to the Southampton port health authority's recommendations.

It read: "The health and safety of our passengers is of paramount importance and we would like to reassure all guests that the points made in the report would not have affected them.

"Southampton port health services were satisfied with our responses and no further action has been taken by them with regards to any of the points made."

Out of date veal was discovered thawing on P&O's luxury liner, Aurora.

Large flies were found in the a larder in its sister ship, the Oceana two months later during a check-up, Which? said.

The report also revealed staff reported "cockroach activity" on Cunard's Caronia.

Inspectors also had "little confidence" in Thomson's "food-safety controls" after touring the Celebration a month before its first post-refurbishment voyage.

'No infestation'

A Cunard spokesman said the cockroach activity had been found by the company's own staff who reported it to the authorities.

He added: "It was immediately dealt with and we had no problem with it. This is a truly minor occurrence.

"There wasn't an infestation or anything like that," he said.

A Thomson Cruises spokesman said the Celebration had undergone refurbishment and had not yet sailed with passengers at the time of the inspection and a food safety management system was now place on the ship.

Riccardo Benzo, marketing manager for Fred Olsen cruise lines, said staff had been issued with new guidelines to make them aware of the need to check equipment.

Consumer group Which? which obtained the inspectors' reports under new freedom of information rules is now calling for all UK cruise ship hygiene reports to be made available online.

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Linerrich
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posted 09-02-2005 09:57 AM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone who lives or has been in tropical areas understands that cockroaches can be found anywhere, regardless of the cleanliness of your house, hotel, restaurant, etc. They do manage to board ships everywhere.

When the TROPICALE first arrived in Miami from the builders' yard in Denmark, Dec. 1981, I saw cockroaches on board--they had boarded in Miami before the first passengers had even sailed on the ship!

Rich


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sympatico
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posted 09-02-2005 10:01 AM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cockroaches on cruise ships is nothing new. I always remember our first cruise, last night on board and we were having dinner. An Officer was sitting beside me when all of a sudden I see something strange crawling along the table. I very discreetly flicked it on to the floor and said to the Officer "is that what I think it was?" and he replied "I think so". Next day when we disembarked, there was the fumigator's truck sitting at the dock.
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PamM
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posted 09-02-2005 11:02 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
See a cockroach on its own and it probably means it's out scavenging as there's not enough food available in the dark corners it prefers. It probably found its way to your table as the kitchens were too clean or it was enjoying the delicacies of the underside of a plate These things just get everywhere, not always through unhygenic surroundings either. I suspect a similar survey of 4* & 5* hotel would produce worse results than those listed above. I would wager a bet on cruise ship kitchens [in general] being cleaner than their counterparts on land.

I've come across a roach on a ship, but only on the deck outside, keeping it clean of bugs. I have also come across roaches in an hotel once, that wasn't too pleasant as they ran behind a non-moveable dresser before I squashed them; but seemingly they were got rid of once I informed the front desk, as they didn't appear again. I've had too many to count at home as a kid; when the drains were fumigated every so often we used to have to bung up the plug holes/overflows etc, to stop the exodus into one's house. I guess one's 'yuk' factor depends on how many and where one has come across them before. I just kill them.. when possible as can be buggers... some people scream the place down.
Good job it was you Sympatico, I can imagine the reaction of some others max exodus from the dining room!

Plenty of out of date food in my cupboards/freezer; there's nothing wrong with it, but I wouldn't feed it to anyone else. Crumbs in years gone by food didn't get to our grocery store shelves until it was past its sell by date. We used to sieve the weevils from the flour before use, nowadays, see a weevil and the flour is chucked.

Pam

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sympatico
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posted 09-02-2005 12:06 PM      Profile for sympatico     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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We used to sieve the weevils from the flour before use, nowadays, see a weevil and the flour is chucked.


Pam - put a bay leaf in the flour bag or cannister. My mother taught me this many, many years ago and I have never had weavils.

Never use boxes from the grocery store for storage or when you are moving. My son did this and brought the little bu**ers home to me when he moved from his apt back home after University. I nearly freaked out when I found them behind the toaster oven.

I always pick up the boxes from the liquour store.


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Ernst
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posted 09-02-2005 12:11 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Cockroaches are very interesting animals - they can live under extreme conditions and are very very resistent against nearly everything.
Having a ship contaminated with these aninmals can happen easily.
Especially my journey to the Amazon region comes to my mind where really a lot of insects boarded our vessel. (there were also swarms of birds being aware of this and coming to the ship for a short snack from time to time )

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posted 09-02-2005 12:58 PM      Profile for Linerrich   Email Linerrich   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I suspect a similar survey of 4* & 5* hotel would produce worse results than those listed above. I would wager a bet on cruise ship kitchens [in general] being cleaner than their counterparts on land.
dining room!

Pam

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That is absolutely true! Land-based eateries do not face the same scrutiny of Public Health inspections that cruise ships do--hotels and restaurants can get away with many things that are not permissible in ship galleys.

For example, on a ship, finding a cockroach is less of an offense than finding a cutting knife with a plastic or wooden handle. (Knives must be one-piece steel--a blade joining a separate handle is a breeding ground for bacteria.) This is just one of thousands of pre-requisites for ships' galleys, which the public is not even aware of.

Rich


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posted 09-02-2005 02:33 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I bet most of our kitchens at home would fail the health inspection tests!
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posted 09-02-2005 06:55 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I bet most of our kitchens at home would fail the health inspection tests!

Very true - but in my case there is no immediate danger - not a lot of people would eat things coming out from my kitchen. An inherent protection system.

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posted 09-03-2005 12:32 AM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This so-called news item is as meaningless as a story about the sun coming up in the morning. A ship without cockroaches would be real news.

Brian


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posted 09-03-2005 05:33 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
...not a lot of people would eat things coming out from my kitchen.

I certainly would not!


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posted 09-03-2005 06:14 PM      Profile for KansasK   Email KansasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I mentioned in another post that I lived in New Orleans for 6 years. Every month we had our home sprayed to control the roaches. I never knew there are several types before we moved to NO. In St. Louis, where I lived my whole life before New Orleans, exterminators would tell you they would get rid of the roaches or they would come back. In New Orleans, they promised to control them if they sprayed every month, which is different from getting rid of them. Yet we seldom saw a roach in our home after a few months, and while you are just fooling youself, this is what you want to achieve. I tried by keeping all flour, cereal, crackers, etc, in sealed containers. We took out the kitchen trash every evening. Having moved, I don't miss the roaches.

When can hear them in your tash can in the kitchen or when you are afraid to turn on the kitchen light at night, that's when you need to call the exterminator.

The roaches are such a part of life in NO, the radio stations would have goofy contests with Texas on who has the biggest roaches and ask listeners to submit them for judging. They told tales that the flying variety of roach fly in battalions in Texas and have little insignia on their wings.

With the flooding in NO, I wonder if all the roaches drowned, or if they all sought high ground. I somehow do not think that the hurricane wiped them out. That they board cruise ships, does not surprise me. The Texas flying variety probably fly in and land.


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posted 09-04-2005 09:00 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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KansasK wrote:
With the flooding in NO, I wonder if all the roaches drowned, or if they all sought high ground. I somehow do not think that the hurricane wiped them out.

You are absolutely correct. There still will be many, surviving by seeking higher ground on upper floors of buildings. Those that were submerged may even have drowned. Not sure if they like salty sea water!

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posted 09-04-2005 11:17 PM      Profile for KansasK   Email KansasK   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I imagine, too, Bulbousbow, that some of the roaches perished in the hurricane, but many did survive. They have such a fast replacement rate, that the city dwellers will find them waiting for them when they finally return to NO.

With Carnival's three ships heading to NO, I imagine they will have some freeloading roaches board, too, and may have to take measures they don't usually need to control them. Bummer, indeed.


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mrblanche
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posted 09-10-2005 07:53 PM      Profile for mrblanche   Email mrblanche   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I once worked in a huge Hilton corporate property, and I can tell you cockroaches are a constant pain. Personally, I think anywhere you have food and water and people, you will have roaches. They come in on the boxes of groceries, etc.
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posted 09-11-2005 01:05 AM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
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mrblanche wrote:
They come in on the boxes of groceries, etc.

That's true. If not in the box the bloody things will attach themselves on the underside and get carried inside or onboard unnoticed. Also their body shape really helps them hide in the nooks and crannies.

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I never saw one outside the Rotterdam Zoo (they held some unique on display really big one) Till 5 years ago whene at they end of an semester we desided to get some cchinese/Indonasian food. I was study in Utrecht and a restaurant was quikly found. They food was good and after the meal well nipping on my coffee, spotted a nother table mate. Mister coakroach. I freak almost out but ceep on the last moment the control over my self. But my on of my study friends freacked out she yelled aaaaah kakakerlak (cockroach in Dutch) and run away outside. What thene happen was unbelieveble. The whole restaurant stopped eating and look at oure table. The little animal was still there. And shivvers run through the room. poeple standing up and leaving the restaurant. My table mates where also quickly up and run outside. Finally me and a friend killed the cockroach. The only thing the owner could say to us was "it's the time of the year" We told him that we not pay anything fore it. He was not happy, we left and dith not pay.

A week later passing the restaurant he was closed on order by the public healt authority. He never reopened.

Greetings Ben.


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I once read that these creatures will survive man and become the dominate life form on earth. Apparently not even radiation will get rid of them!

I once stayed in a motel in Orlando, FL where iI swear they were the size of tanks. When I owned property outside of Braedonton, Fl, I sprayed once or twice a year to keep them under control and out of my home.

Persistent lil buggers! What a nerve to live rent free in our cellars, pantries and within our walls.

Never saw any on my cruises(Carnival, Cunard).


...Kenneth...ugh

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quote:
Originally posted by Kenneth:
[QB]I once read that these creatures will survive man and become the dominate life form on earth. Apparently not even radiation will get rid of them!

I once stayed in a motel in Orlando, FL where iI swear they were the size of tanks. When I owned property outside of Braedonton, Fl, I sprayed once or twice a year to keep them under control and out of my home.


In Florida they have fancy names for them - PALMETTO BUGS.

http://www.dudeface.com/pbdefinit.html

We used to stay in Pompano for a couple of weeks every May and one day I opened a cupboard in the kitchen and found one in there.....I let out one ungodly scream and ran out of the apartment. The exterminators were in immediately. They do look like the size of tanks. Yuck.


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posted 09-12-2005 10:36 PM      Profile for usha   Email usha   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I read somewhere that cockroaches would be the only survivors after a massive nuclear explosion. Okay, well, cockroaches and Keith Richards...
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quote:
Originally posted by usha:
I read somewhere that cockroaches would be the only survivors after a massive nuclear explosion. Okay, well, cockroaches and Keith Richards...

And Keith looks like he survived something.....


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