I have seen photos of the interior. It is a combination of Las Vegas theme park and a Sheraton chain hotel.

The colors and patterns are not bad, I was expecting worse. The lighting is terrible: glary, spotty with a ton of ceiling acne.

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Originally posted by Darrell:
It's my understanding that some select agents and press were at the shipyard for the delivery of PoA... I can't find any pics anywhere. She does have 100% wifi coverage and no agent or press has uploaded pics to the net yet? Do you think NCL made them sign a gag (no puns needed on the exterior, lol) order before coming onboard that they would not leak actual photo's until the christening in NYC?

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Originally posted by desirod7:
[QB]Darrell,

I have seen photos of the interior. It is a combination of Las Vegas theme park and a Sheraton chain hotel.

From the pics I have seen, she looks like a mid range hotel at Colonial Williamsburg. A modern interpretation (with modern materials) of Federal style.

/QB]

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http://www.cruisenewsdaily.com/s-pamerica.html

The atrium turned out really nice. Not sure about the Washington Monument replica placed in front of the elevators though.

Overall, I think I prefer PRIDE OF ALOHA's interiors more.

*edited* A thought just came to me. What sort of interiors did AMCV/USL planned for this ship before they went bankrupted?

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I might be sailing on POA next month for a couple days out of Los Angeles. I'll hold any further judgement until I see her in person ... but if the pictures are any indication of whats in store, I'll be
putting my expectations in check.

What i have seen i don't like. An mess of styles. Who have this designed. It's as if you watch an movie set without the actors.

The material ussed in the atrium looks really takky.

Picture frome Cruise news daily.

No don't like it.

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Originally posted by Maasdam:
It's as if you watch an movie set without the actors.

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Interestingly Farcus has been quoted as saying his interiors are like movie sets, and the passengers are the actors.

I've liked most Tillberg interiors that I've seen in the flesh. You really can't judge a ship interiors very well from an image.

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http://www.tillberg.com/projects.html#

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Originally posted by desirod7:
The Project America interiors were designed by Tillberg. The original rendering is very different than the execution.

http://www.tillberg.com/projects.html#

These are the same people who did the QM2, Norwegian Dawn, QE2, and the Voyager of the Seas.

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Desirod,

If I'm not mistaken, Tillberg was only partially responsible for the POA interiors - staterooms & suites, corridors and a few of the smaller public areas - and the majority of the public spaces were done by the same form that brought us the contrived 'monkey columns' in the Pride of Aloha's atrium.

Tillberg's original concepts for Project America under AMCV were a much more restrained combo of 'colonial' Hawaii and simple, yet clean 'Americana' if you will.

Overall, the PAM's interiors struck me as a wicked flashback to the Big Red Boat II - now THERE is a ship that took kitschy Americana to new heights. And there's a remarkable similarity between the two.

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Originally posted by mec1:
desirod -

just been to the Tillberg site and wondered if you knew what the SEA AMERICA project is/was?????

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Mike,

Project Sea America was a development in the late 1990s; the idea was to build a US-flag ship for cruising in American waters. Besides having an office in Ft.Lauderdale, with a handful of key employees culled from Carnival and NCL, the project never got off the ground. It was superseded by American Classic Cruises, who, with much more funding and resources, were actually able to build some ships and get an operation going, although by the time of 9/11 they were also defunct.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

Interestingly Farcus has been quoted as saying his interiors are like movie sets, and the passengers are the actors.

I've liked most Tillberg interiors that I've seen in the flesh. You really can't judge a ship interiors very well from an image.

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Malcome never now that Farcus said that. So Tilberg are the designers. Now that is thene one interior that not work fore me.

They have done better.

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Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:
Overall, the PAM's interiors struck me as a wicked flashback to the Big Red Boat II - now THERE is a ship that took kitschy Americana to new heights. And there's a remarkable similarity between the two.

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Andy at Tillberg and I spoke at length at Sea Trade.
They do all of the NCL ships now and RCCL too.
I saw the "Tillberg" signature on many of the rooms.

On their original sketches: an architect's best work is his unbuilt work since comittees of laymen and non caring contractors have not compromised it.

The paying client is as responsible for the outcome of a job as the designer.

However one criticizes the POA interiors, mass market America will love it. It is far better than the disfigurement of the Queen Anna Maria or Norway, especially when one considers what was there before.

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Originally posted by Tim in 'Lauderdale:

Desirod,

If I'm not mistaken, Tillberg was only partially responsible for the POA interiors - staterooms & suites, corridors and a few of the smaller public areas - and the majority of the public spaces were done by the same form that brought us the contrived 'monkey columns' in the Pride of Aloha's atrium.

Tillberg's original concepts for Project America under AMCV were a much more restrained combo of 'colonial' Hawaii and simple, yet clean 'Americana' if you will.

Tim

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Originally posted by desirod7:

However one criticizes the POA interiors, mass market America will love it.

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I don't consider myself a snob (I actually *like* Carnival Cruise Lines) but none the less there is something very cheap looking about POA. To me, the "entertainment architecture" that Farcus designs
may not appeal to everyone, but it's very interesting and usually executed with a bit of quality. Farcus himself once stated that Micky doesn't really give him a budget, so long as he continues to deliver what the customer demands. All those custom chairs, carpets, fixtures, and wall coverings on Carnival are not cheap to produce or replace. POA doesn't seem to have that quality or attention to detail, at least not what I see in pictures.

Whenever many on the list don't like something, we always hear the excuse "but it's designed for the mass market". Well, this may come to a surprise to many on CT to learn they *are* the mass-market! I have a feeling there are not too many billionaires on the list although there may be one or two. Most of us earn average incomes, shop and eat at average places (for the most part), and
take average vacations (cruises). This being said, just because we are part of the "mass-market" doesn't mean we can't expect more. I think some cruise lines and hotels underestimate the mass-market and try to appeal to the lowest common denominator. I think we are more intelligent than that, or at least I like to think we are. Maybe I
am giving too much credit to the average consumer, but I don't think so.

So as a "mass market" cruiser, I don't have a problem with themes, but the way they are executed is very important to me. I want to
see well-thought details, quality workmanship, and most of all a theme that flows well from one area to another. Las Vegas and Orlando hotels accomplish this very well (although not all), but
from what I see of POA she may not. A couple examples in Las Vegas are the Excalibur and Venetian hotels. The Excalibur is a theme
hotel trying to represent Medieval times but it was done on the cheap. Then you walk into the Venetian Hotel which has an amazing attention to detail and is fairly upscale, yet also appeals to the
mass-market in a very big way. Two theme hotels, yet very different in their execution and style. From what I see so far of POA, she belongs more in the Excalibur category.

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Originally posted by eroller:
...Well, this may come to a surprise to many on CT to learn they *are* the mass-market!

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I completely agree! We all like to think of ourselves above the ‘norm’, but much of what we consume, including vacations/cruises, is aimed at the masses.

I think that the quality of the images used by cruisenews.daily are quite poor. I'm not trying to defend NCL, but the images look to be very poorly lit, for example.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

I completely agree! We all like to think of ourselves above the ‘norm’, but much of what we consume, including vacations/cruises, is aimed at the masses.

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Thats treu but one tast cane be difrance frome others. Because things are designed fore the mass market will not say that I like it. It's the same with cars one like Citroën the other Skoda. Al cars made fore made fore the mass market but aplay to ones tast.

Therfore i would not sail a/b the POA, because the ship exterior and interior don't make me warm ore cold. Whene others like the ship it's fine sail on here and have an great time.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
I think that the quality of the images used by cruisenews.daily are quite poor. I'm not trying to defend NCL, but the images look to be very pooly lit, for example.

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