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Linerdan
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posted 04-27-2005 05:54 PM      Profile for Linerdan   Email Linerdan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Gday All

Just curious can the QM2 be lengthen if required and if Cunard wanted to keep there tittle of the largest?.Its only a matter of time before her tonnage is beaten.Can she be expanded?
Thanks linerdan


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Ernst
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posted 04-27-2005 05:59 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This would make her even more unsuitable for the New York harbour.
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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-27-2005 06:10 PM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can't see it myself. But then I am no expert.
I think there's a limit as to how big these ships can and will get.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-27-2005 06:34 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Her dimensions are huge already. Any ship that beats her out in the tonnage department will most like be shorter but have her superstructure pushed as far forward and aft as possible. Had QM2 been built more like a boxy cruise ship with an end to end superstructure, her tonnage could push 180,000 tons or more. Her engines seem to be positioned more amidships (like QE2) than most cruise ships which means she could not be cut in half with a new mid-section installed. A new section would have to go farther forward than her funnel. She is big enough and should have been built as a 90,000 tonner IMO.
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Maasdam
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posted 04-27-2005 06:50 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Her dimensions are huge already. Any ship that beats her out in the tonnage department will most like be shorter but have her superstructure pushed as far forward and aft as possible. Had QM2 been built more like a boxy cruise ship with an end to end superstructure, her tonnage could push 180,000 tons or more. Her engines seem to be positioned more amidships (like QE2) than most cruise ships which means she could not be cut in half with a new mid-section installed. A new section would have to go farther forward than her funnel. She is big enough and should have been built as a 90,000 tonner IMO.

It's possible ships are leghtned with there engines located midships. Even before 1900 ships where leghtned and thene they have a midship engine room. I think that the cutting would before the engine room.......

Leghtned the QM2 would be a dissaster she's a monster whene she was in Rotterdam last year she almost dwarf the pier there was no room anymore fore a smaller cruiseliner. To leghtned here made that she have less ports to visit. Certainly it would be more difficult to visit ports as Hamburg, Rotterdam etc. And thene as mantioned early by Ernst it would made here almost unpossible fore the New York piers. No leave here as she is and start to make here the ship Cunard prommis to be.

Here an picture i took whene she depart Rotterdam showing here huge size and leght.

4 pictures off QM2 on my site
NASM 1873 page: Cruise visit Rotterdam 2004.

Greatings Ben.

[ 04-27-2005: Message edited by: Maasdam ]


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-27-2005 07:19 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would be too expensive. Anyway she will still hold the title of biggest 'Ocean Liner' for years!
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Onno
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posted 04-27-2005 07:34 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Imagine all the ports she had to leave or enter backwards. I think it would be technically possible, but in the end it will create more problems then that it would have benefits.

Lengthening QM2 would be Homer Simpson’s dream car, it would look cool but useless in the end.

Onno


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bulbousbow
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posted 04-27-2005 08:48 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Why lengthen an already perfect hull? There wouldn’t be any advantage for QM2, (see other posts before). Regardless, she’ll still be the longest and widest (moulded breadth) even after Freedom of the Seas is completed. The only title she will lose is in gross tonnage (volume), where the boxy cruise ships will always dominate, as already stated, since their superstructures are virtually the length of the hull (bow to stern).

An area where QM2 will still be supreme for a while is in displacement tonnage. Anyone got displacement figures for QM2, Freedom of the Seas, Voyager-class, etc., handy?

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Cheers


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posted 04-28-2005 03:15 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bigger does NOT mean better! I doubt any RCI ship will ever be a better ship then QM2 - Cunard will market her (and QE2's) uniqueness when her title is taken.
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Waynaro
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posted 04-28-2005 03:22 AM      Profile for Waynaro   Email Waynaro   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Chris Cunard:
Bigger does NOT mean better! I doubt any RCI ship will ever be a better ship then QM2 - Cunard will market her (and QE2's) uniqueness when her title is taken.
You can't compare an "ocean liner" to a "cruise ship" Chris.

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posted 04-28-2005 09:08 AM      Profile for Hi Seas   Email Hi Seas   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Another take on this is with an additional section in place is, what would they place in there? More staterooms, which that would have to be how in which to make up their profits. Or more lounges.

There would have to be a need for it other than just to keep the "world's largest" title.

Such as not being able to handle all of the bookings.


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cruiseshipluver
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posted 04-28-2005 10:19 AM      Profile for cruiseshipluver   Author's Homepage   Email cruiseshipluver   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Onno:
Imagine all the ports she had to leave or enter backwards. I think it would be technically possible, but in the end it will create more problems then that it would have benefits.

Lengthening QM2 would be Homer Simpson’s dream car, it would look cool but useless in the end.

Onno


well at her current length she still has to leave or enter backwards at alot of ports......wen QM2 comes to Barbados she berths on the breakwater(as that is the only area she can berth)bow in. So wen she departs shepushes off and reverses right out the harbour right out throught the channel and then turns 180 degrees and gets underway...........how ever she can turn around in our harbour as i saw on one occasion a particular night.......i was saying to my self....is that pilot crazy? thats was a risk he took but i suppose he know what he was doing.
cruiseshipluver


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Gerry
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posted 04-28-2005 01:17 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The bottom line is. No. She will not be lengthened to keep the title. However, she will likely retain the title of longest even after the arrival of the next mega ships.
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Brian_O
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posted 04-28-2005 05:02 PM      Profile for Brian_O     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Gerry:
The bottom line is. No. She will not be lengthened to keep the title. However, she will likely retain the title of longest even after the arrival of the next mega ships.

I agree. Apart from QM2 (1132 feet), how many passenger ships have surpassed the length of France/Norway? (1035 feet) Any?

Brian


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bulbousbow
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posted 04-28-2005 11:16 PM      Profile for bulbousbow   Author's Homepage   Email bulbousbow   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Brian_O wrote:
I agree. Apart from QM2 (1132 feet), how many passenger ships have surpassed the length of France/Norway? (1035 feet) Any?

None yet. RCCL's Freedom of the Seas will be the first to surpass France/Norway when she debuts in June next year with her 1112 feet (LOA).

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Cheers


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