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Does anyone know of any webcams that show the harbour in Gibraltar? I've had a search but can't find any good ones.
The Port of Gibralter web site - here on our ports page has the following picture in their photo gallery...
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Many thanks Joe.
Has Aurora remained as flag carrier?
P.S - Aurora looks really great compared to her squarer sister cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by Chris Cunard:Aurora is a fantastic looking ship isnt she Poor Arcadia, can't compete with Aurora!
I wouldn't say Arcadia can't compete, each ship has her own merits. I like both ships, although I agree Aurora is a very pretty one.
quote:Originally posted by Sea Wanderer:I wouldn't say Arcadia can't compete, each ship has her own merits. I like both ships, although I agree Aurora is a very pretty one.
thats a good point Sea Wanderer...i do like both vessels but i would much prefer Aurora.....she brings more to the table design wise and is in a class of her own.......there isnt a vessel out there that looks that close to Aurora unless it is her older sister Oriana.cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by Ernst: She is not as "massive" as Aurora (ot Oriana or also Sun Princess Class ships)
isnt Arcadia longer than Aurora...... Arcadia is a Vista class so she should be around 952' long and about 105' wide?.....isnt that larger than Aurora??..and isnt Arcadia around 85-87,000 tonnes?...i could be wrong?cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:isnt Arcadia longer than Aurora...... Arcadia is a Vista class so she should be around 952' long and about 105' wide?.....isnt that larger than Aurora??..and isnt Arcadia around 85-87,000 tonnes?...i could be wrong?cruiseshipluver
I don`t mean her size, but how she looks. Oriana and Aurora are more a "hull-superstructure block", whereas the Arcadia / Vista Class has a more structured supersturcture more separated from the hull.
quote:Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:okay, i didnt understand u meant in that way....you mean like Oriana and Aurora upper superstructure comes right out to the full width of the boat deck....where as on Arcadia the upper superstructure is more set back from the edge of the boat deck/promanade area??????cruiseshipluver
Thats what I meant. It wasn`t that clear. (sorry)
quote:Originally posted by cruiseshipluver:....you mean like Oriana and Aurora upper superstructure comes right out to the full width of the boat deck....where as on Arcadia the upper superstructure is more set back from the edge of the boat deck/promanade area...
Which coupled with her glass veranda railings is what makes Arcadia (and Vista class ships in general) appear much more fragile than the more substantial appearence of the Aurora/Oriana and similarly designed ships. Untimately what bothers me visually about the Vista Class is that they look like a big land-based hotel dropped on top of a hull... Take the superstructure of any Vista ship and stick it in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip and you'd never think it had been a part of a ship at all...
quote:Chris Cunard wrote:Aurora is a fantastic looking ship isnt she Poor Arcadia, can't compete with Aurora!
There seems to be a real love affair on this forum for both Oriana and Aurora. They may be good looking to some but they aren't perfect. They may have longer bows/forecastles and raked sterns but they are just as boxy (maybe even more in some regards) as any other modern day cruise ship. We need to remember that every cruise ship design has its purpose (including that of generating more money).
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quote:Caronia II wrote:Which coupled with her glass veranda railings is what makes Arcadia (and Vista class ships in general) appear much more fragile than the more substantial appearence of the Aurora/Oriana and similarly designed ships. Untimately what bothers me visually about the Vista Class is that they look like a big land-based hotel dropped on top of a hull...
Aurora and Oriana were built for world line voyages as well as general cruising. The Spirit/Vista-class vessels, such as Arcadia, with their exposed balconies are more suited to cruising in calmer waters; stability-wise though, they would handle bad weather well (as I would expect Aurora and Oriana).
quote:Take the superstructure of any Vista ship and stick it in the middle of the Las Vegas Strip and you'd never think it had been a part of a ship at all...
How about taking the superstructures of Aurora and Oriana and placing them in Las Vegas?
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:There seems to be a real love affair on this forum for both Oriana and Aurora. They may be good looking to some but they aren't perfect. They may have longer bows/forecastles and raked sterns but they are just as boxy (maybe even more in some regards) as any other modern day cruise ship. We need to remember that every cruise ship design has its purpose (including that of generating more money).******Cheers
Aurora is not as bulky and square as other modern day cruiseships...she has alot more length and curves....and nice lines...and overall she is very well propprtioned. Her older sisterwould be the more boxier one. As some one said earlier, Arcadia is basically a superstructure dropped on top a hull......where as Arcadia and Oriana's hulls seem to have that connection between their own superstructure.cruiseshipluver
i meant Aurora....sorry cruiseshipluver
I actually do not like Oriana. She looks incomplete to me. Aurora is by far the prettier sister.
quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow: There seems to be a real love affair on this forum for both Oriana and Aurora.
I think it was Mec1 who reminded us that when both vessels were newbuilds, they were initially viewed as inferior (in terms of charm etc.) to the favourites that they had replaced.
As the Vista-clones permeate the Carnival brand, Oriana and Aurora are looking increasingly individual and attractive.
quote:Originally posted by Thad:For some reason I have always been more of a fan or the Oriana than Aurora. I don't like the Sun Princess like bulge around the balconies on the Aurora, and I find her brdige front fussier, though I like her stack better than Oriana's which looks a bit to large to me...
tho Oriana's funnel is a tad too big for her proportions.she still looks good where as Aurora has a more modern flare and style to hers. Orianas' is more solid and retro looking.cruiseshipluver
quote:Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:I think it was Mec1 who reminded us that when both vessels were newbuilds, they were initially viewed as inferior (in terms of charm etc.) to the favourites that they had replaced.
Bulbousbow, no ship is perfect (or is there? :confused , but there are ships better than another for the market they "sell" to. AURORA and ORIANA are better for world voyages compared to ARCADIA. Like you said, ARCADIA and the Vista-class ships are much more suited for calm-water cruising.
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quote:Originally posted by bulbousbow:How about taking the superstructures of Aurora and Oriana and placing them in Las Vegas?******Cheers
bulbousbow, I didn't say that Arcadia WAS more fragile than Aurora/Oriana, I said she and the other Vista class ships LOOKED more fragile. Have you yet stood on the heaving deck of a tender and looked up at a Vista Class ship out in the bay? I have, and as compared to other ships that preceded this class they APPEAR to be dangerously top-heavy and easy to fracture... not a reassuring thought as you approach her from sea level in a heavy swell... does that mean that these ships are any LESS stable, regardless of their intended purpose? Not at all. But perception is a large part of satisfaction and as much as I enjoyed the great view from the glass rails on my veranda, I couldn't shake the nervous thought of hanging on a roll, glass shttering as furniture flew through those windows and "rails", and the not real, but appearent low freeboard of the ship getting swamped by greenwater... Of course I KNOW these are just opinions, but it's difficult to refute that the Aurora/Oriana/Sun Princess type of hull to superstructure arrangement is VISUALLY more substantial.
As for putting the Aurora's superstructure on the Las Vegas Strip, you're just being argumentitive trying to ignore that the Vista's upper half DOESN'T look like just any luxury hotel plopped onto a hull...
quote:Originally posted by Caronia II:... Of course I KNOW these are just opinions, but it's difficult to refute that the Aurora/Oriana/Sun Princess type of hull to superstructure arrangement is VISUALLY more substantial.
... Of course I KNOW these are just opinions, but it's difficult to refute that the Aurora/Oriana/Sun Princess type of hull to superstructure arrangement is VISUALLY more substantial.
I think this is a very good description: They are built to give the impression of stamina and strength - as expected by their customers.
P.S.: I also do not like these glass "rails". Beside not giving the impression of being stable, they look awful with only a little bit of dirt.
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