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OceanVoyager
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posted 04-21-2005 04:21 AM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
When will the press get it into their heads that the Aurora is NOT a jinxed ship??!!

And, before anyone says "well the bottle didn't smash", how many people know there was a 2nd ceremony the day after?

The youngest crew member onboard had the task of "doing the bottle" the same as the Princess Royal had done the day before.

I happened to sail on the maiden voyage, and although we broke down, we were treated brilliantly, and lets face it, anything mechanical can break down or fail at anytime.

The following year I sailed on Aurora again, to Venice, and it was a most memorable trip, and the ship was just stunning!

I complained to the BBC about their reports back in January saying they painted an unfair picture and the reporter was trying to stir up controversy. Quite ammusing that they had trouble trying to find any passengers that were treated unfairly and could complain, everyone interviewed apart from a couple who jumped on the whinging bandwagon had nothing but support for the crew and how they were treated.
If anyone wants to see the reply, I'll post it.

Excuse my rants, but everytime I hear, "the jinxed P&O cruise ship Aurora" it annoys me!

I wish them all good luck and a great year ahead.

Rgds,
Andrew


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mec1
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posted 04-21-2005 04:44 AM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I too sailed on the Maiden Voyage and then had a great cruise on her the following year. She may not be jinxed but - just in the case of near sisters Queen Mary and Queen Elizabeth - Oriana seems to me to be much better designed, more popular with the crew and "luckier".
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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-21-2005 06:29 AM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Andrew, I totally agree, It's just press bullsh** (the mainstream media know very little about ships) even though it does annoy me too.
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NAL
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posted 04-21-2005 09:26 AM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
That's one of many reasons why I dislike the BBC.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-21-2005 09:37 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Journalists say: “never let the truth get in the way of a good story”.
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Johan
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posted 04-21-2005 09:55 AM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships and (ghost)stories have gone together since time immemorial, I guess...

It is part of the humanization and personification of a ship.

Re : Oriana being a "luckier" ship :
Why was "Aurora" called "Aurora" ? I don't seem to remember a (prestigious) predecessor (cfr. Oriana or Arcadia) with this name ? And if not, why naming a luxury cruise ship, meant to be travelled upon by well-of older passenger, and owned by a company with Imperial roots, after a communist/socialist symbol, the "New Dawn", "L'Aurore", "Aurora".
This unlucky naming is perhaps the another aspect of "Oriana" being a luckier ship.

BTW, Aurora will normally be in Zeebrugge this weekend, and Oriana on the saturday of Pentecost.

Johan


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OceanVoyager
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posted 04-21-2005 10:43 AM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Aurora was named after the Roman "Goddess of Dawn", quite apt as she was christened in the year 2000.

Being my favourite P&O vessel I can honestly tell you her sea manners are probably the best in the fleet, except for Oriana as they share the same hull design.

Below a force 4 there is no movement whatsover, and even when it is rough, her behaviour is that of a ship who's draft is more than Aurora's 8m.

With her duck tail stern, smaller funnel than Oriana and other design differences she is one of the most beautiful modern cruise ships afloat, closely followed of course by Oriana!

I defy anyone to stand at the top of her tiered stern, look down on the open "ampitheatre" style and not say its stunning!

I only have to try and convince my wife and her family that the ship is not "jinxed", as its very shortsighted to hear the drivvle of the press and come to those conclusions! Of course, nobody of the press mentioned the 4 years of exemplary service, hundreds of voyages and thousands of very happy passengers before the unfortunate Norwalk virus and events of January.

The sooner I am back onboard sailing out of my wonderful homeport, glass in hand, the better!

Best Rgds,
Andrew


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CGT
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posted 04-21-2005 10:51 AM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by NAL:
That's one of many reasons why I dislike the BBC.

You should rephrase that as "That's one of many reasons why I dislike any American television network news" Because the BBC is so superior to anything available in the U.S. it's just pathetic.


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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-21-2005 11:29 AM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by OceanVoyager:
I defy anyone to stand at the top of her tiered stern, look down on the open "ampitheatre" style and not say its stunning!

I only have to try and convince my wife and her family that the ship is not "jinxed", as its very shortsighted to hear the drivvle of the press and come to those conclusions! Of course, nobody of the press mentioned the 4 years of exemplary service, hundreds of voyages and thousands of very happy passengers before the unfortunate Norwalk virus and events of January.

The sooner I am back onboard sailing out of my wonderful homeport, glass in hand, the better!

Best Rgds,
Andrew


Would that I had the opportunitiy to do so. I'm working on it though...


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Ernst
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posted 04-21-2005 11:34 AM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Sea Wanderer:

Would that I had the opportunitiy to do so. I'm working on it though...


There are also some other ships with a similar stern configuration.


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Tom Burke
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posted 04-21-2005 12:24 PM      Profile for Tom Burke   Author's Homepage   Email Tom Burke   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
For those who know Aurora (and Oriana), how do the short cruises (the 7 day ones especially) compare with the more typical 13, 14 & 15 -night cruises? I'm thinking of the atmosphere on board, the 'feel' of the staff, the service, etc.

I ask because I could be very tempted to cruise on one of these ships next year, but I don't think I can afford the price of a more typical cruise. The seven-night ones however might be achievable.

On the other hand, if there was a feeling that these shorter cruises were somehow less important, less 'the real thing', that might put me off. Certainly the P&O brochure gives that impression, with all the short cruises in a section on their own and only the briefest details of each.


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 04-21-2005 12:32 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CGT:

You should rephrase that as "That's one of many reasons why I dislike any American television network news" Because the BBC is so superior to anything available in the U.S. it's just pathetic.


It is not what is once was-but what is??


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 04-21-2005 03:19 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Tom Burke:
For those who know Aurora (and Oriana), how do the short cruises (the 7 day ones especially) compare with the more typical 13, 14 & 15 -night cruises?

Although I’ve yet to cruise with P&O, I have done one-week and two-week cruises with other cruise lines.

I think that it is true to say that in American waters, a one week cruise is pretty standard. Where as in Europe we seem to have many two-week cruisers, on offer. This probably stems from the British tradition of going on an annual two week summer holiday.

A two week cruise is great. By the second week you are really getting ‘into’ ship board life. Although the second week always seems to pass quicker than the first. You are likely to make stronger friendships with the fellow passengers. You also normally get more sea-days, so you can relax a little more than a more port-intensive shorter cruise.

However, I have been on one-week cruises and also enjoyed them, too. The main appeal to me is that they are so much cheaper are require less anual leave.

One week onboard a ship is still quite a long time. You still get a full cruise experience. It also a good way to try a line and vessel. So in conclusion, go for it if you get the chance!

[ 04-21-2005: Message edited by: Malcolm @ cruisepage ]


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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-22-2005 01:37 PM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was on Town Quay this afternoon and while I was waiting for Aurora to sail (she did, but was slightly late) a complete stranger comes up to me and the people I was talking to (people I see on a regular basis) and really starts laying into the Aurora and spouting the media rubbish about curses and all the usual nonsense about her being 'troubled'. He would not take a hint - which was, broadly, 'go away' - and also went on at length about how bad the Aurora was because the British can't build ships. Considering the ship had been built in Germany this was all nonsense.

I am usually pretty tolerant and if people are misinformed I correct them (as I would expect to be put right myself). This bloke would not stand corrected and even hoped the Aurora would sink. That was the last straw and I ended up telling him he was talking out of his arse and thoroughly losing my rag with him. I'm afraid I even called him a "****ing pillock" so angry he made me.

If the rest of the general public are as ignorant and as misinformed (not to mention as offensive - hoping the ship would sink) as he is, than I despair, I really do...it's an example of how the media can distort things out of all proportion. This chap was quoting the BBC at length and we all know how often the BBC get it right, don't we...


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Noordam
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posted 04-22-2005 02:27 PM      Profile for Noordam   Email Noordam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is the media coverage of the Aurora that bad? If so, I would definitely be up for her being moved over to the US market... I think she would make a brilliant new Nieuw Amesterdam at Holland America!
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Patsy
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posted 04-22-2005 06:22 PM      Profile for Patsy   Author's Homepage   Email Patsy   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I wouldn't be surprised if the press are waiting with baited breath for it to break down again. I noticed in the Daily Mail Arcadia piece 2 weeks ago they mentioned the failed world cruise again. I've never sailed on her but I agree she isn't a jinxed ship. Reading the news pages on this site as well as this forum, I couldn't help noticing other ships with their troubles which never get mentioned in the British press, especially Pacific Sky. So good luck to Aurora from me too. I certainly didn't know about the 2nd ceremony. The press just like reporting the bad stuff.
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sealeg claude
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posted 04-22-2005 06:25 PM      Profile for sealeg claude   Email sealeg claude   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi, to all of you in the earlier eschanges; you are
absolutely 100 % right !!!
All media modems, not only the BBC, are notorious
for negative, destructive, punitive and distorted
coverage....seems this is the only way they can
get viewers/readers' attention....which is a shame.
I think the NorthAmerican media is equally
defficient in that regards.
How can, for example, someone twist the
DAWN's encounter with Mother Nature into a terrifying act of negligence by NCL...? As if
the powers that be at Norwegian Cruises decided
to have a crap shoot, call NASA and trigger a rogue
wave and target practice to see if they can hit a ship bull's-eye !!!! Nonsense !!!
The AURORA is simply victimized. So is P & O .
So are every other cuise line that get it right in the eye each time there is the simplest little trouble to which they, after all, react with near perfection, one of very few industries still able to bragg about that acheivement....with deafening silence from the media...
Hail to our industry for staying above the frey.
Good luck to AURORA, DAWN , etal....
Cheers
CG

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Ernst
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posted 04-22-2005 06:34 PM      Profile for Ernst   Author's Homepage   Email Ernst   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The advantage for "us", knowing that Aurora is not "jinxed", is that if people avoid her "we" might get the opportunity to travel with a not crowded ship, maybe at a reduce price.
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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-22-2005 06:54 PM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think the poor old Aurora has had enough media crap slung her way - and people like this twat I argued with on Town Quay believe it - so it's up to the more enlightened folk to set people like that straight.

[ 04-22-2005: Message edited by: Sea Wanderer ]


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OceanVoyager
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posted 04-23-2005 02:00 AM      Profile for OceanVoyager   Email OceanVoyager   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well done Faith, I would have had to bite my lip if I was there.

Once again you could see from Sally Taylor's face on BBC South Today that she was ready to pass a sarky remark at the end of the Aurora report last night, but seemed to leave it out at the last minute.

Lets face it, QE2 has had heaps more problems, yet these seem to be forgotten, and look at dear old Canberra, her career had lots of incidents!

I am 100% sure Aurora will prove to be another wonderful ambassador not only for P&O, but for Souuthampton and UK cruising.

Andrew


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Sea Wanderer
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posted 04-23-2005 09:36 AM      Profile for Sea Wanderer   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I didn't watch South Today last night (I was still out) but it does seem that the BBC really have it in for Aurora. Hopefully she will be trouble free from now on and then the BBC, the rest of the media and the public will forget about it.

The bloke on Town Quay was lucky he didn't get a smack; after I had said my piece, I walked away knowing full well to leave it at that. For some reason, he said he had an Oriana jumper, but I seriously doubt he'd ever been on a cruise in his life. Oh well, I have a keyring from the QE2...


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