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Topic: Found this picture on the lloydwerft site..

Hi Seas
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posted 03-02-2005 01:18 PM

http://www.lloydwerft.com/images/images_gr/proj_am_aussen_luft.jpg

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eroller
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posted 03-02-2005 02:37 PM

Great pic! NORWAY still looks like a graceful ocean liner ... what a shame she won't be around much longer.

Ernie

[ 03-02-2005: Message edited by: eroller ]

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-02-2005 02:40 PM

Aurora is quite attractive for a newbuild. I like the terraced aft decks (I prefer Oriana's though) and even the odd stern is attractive in it's own way. The box to the left (Pride of America) is just that, a box. Norway always looks best IMO when photographed from a 3/4 angle.

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Globaliser
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posted 03-03-2005 12:45 PM

Also, if you go to this URL - http://www.lloydwerft.com/images/images_gr/ - you will pull up a list of the pics available in that folder. Some interesting ones there.

[ 03-03-2005: Message edited by: Globaliser ]

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Hi Seas
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posted 03-03-2005 12:47 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
Also, if you go to this URL - http://www.lloydwerft.com/images/images_gr/proj_am_aussen_luft.jpg - you will pull up a list of the pics available in that folder. Some interesting ones there.

Yes.. it's a really nice site with lots of pictures. I've spent many a lunch hour just staring. Mom always told me not to stare, but I don't listen this time cool:

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NAL
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posted 03-03-2005 01:06 PM

I really do like this picture. Although I like the
look of the Aurora, she appears to have very
little outdoor deck area for a ship that carries
so many pax. Is that true? Those who have been
a/b would know.

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PamM
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posted 03-03-2005 01:13 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
Also, if you go to this URL - http://www.lloydwerft.com/images/images_gr/ - you will pull up a list of the pics available in that folder.

Many thanks for noticing thatG.. some excellent pics not seen before.

N Sun's cabin.. from all the balloons I assume it must have been the first aboard?

Pam

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Beezo
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posted 03-03-2005 02:09 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Many thanks for noticing thatG.. some excellent pics not seen before.
N Sun's cabin.. from all the balloons I assume it must have been the first aboard?
Pam

or maybe its the last one to go into place?

~Brian

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Fairsky
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posted 03-03-2005 04:03 PM

This photo is small, but look at the difference between Aurora's prow and POA's. One of the most beautiful modern cruise ships beside one of the least beautiful:

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Waynaro
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posted 03-03-2005 05:32 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Many thanks for noticing thatG.. some excellent pics not seen before.
N Sun's cabin.. from all the balloons I assume it must have been the first aboard?

Pam, it was the last cabin to be placed. You can easily tell that the other cabins have been in place.

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PamM
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posted 03-03-2005 05:45 PM

Yes, I saw that after I had posted, and if the 1st, the hull would not have been as advanced with the painting.

Pam

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Maasdam
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posted 03-03-2005 05:51 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Fairsky:
This photo is small, but look at the difference between Aurora's prow and POA's. One of the most beautiful modern cruise ships beside one of the least beautiful:

You are right POA looks like iff she is designed as a big ferry. She looks odd with that short bow compared with the grand Aurora. I would be shamed as owner off POA iff i saw this picture.

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Beezo
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posted 03-03-2005 06:06 PM

But you also have to realize that it is not NCL's fault for the length of the bow...they improved the ship as best as they could after buying it from USL.

~Brian

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Ernst
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posted 03-03-2005 06:19 PM

Give her a chance. She is still covered, nobody has seen her up to now. At least the short bow is a brave decision to build a ship as it can be built today, and not as we are used to. Ships are getting really booring, and therefore I appreciate that at least someone tries something new. So it is somehow strange that I defend this desing, as I also do not like what I have seen up to now, but at least it will be "new".

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Caronia II
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posted 03-03-2005 06:30 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
...So it is somehow strange that I defend this desing, as I also do not like what I have seen up to now, but at least it will be "new".

Ah yes... but "new" doesn't forgive ugly... you don't need to pull the bag off to realize she's unattractive!

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Ernst
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posted 03-03-2005 06:45 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Caronia II:
Ah yes... but "new" doesn't forgive ugly... you don't need to pull the bag off to realize she's unattractive!

You are right. But sometimes it is worth to try such things. I saw my taste changing over the years, not too dramatically, but there are some ships I did not like some years ago, which I find acceptable today. (O.K. we have the problem that a lot of nice vessles had to go, so an "ugly" older vessels is suddenly in a more prominent position)
Every step towards a more innovative cruise ship design is good for me. I have to admit that this is not a big step, and does not involve a lot of innovation. But let`s see.

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-03-2005 06:46 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Caronia II:
Ah yes... but "new" doesn't forgive ugly... you don't need to pull the bag off to realize she's unattractive!

Can we really blame her original owners and designer for such an awful short forecastle? As I recall, her midsection was all that was completed when she was towed to Germany from the Mississippi shipyard (there are photos of her center portion on the shipyard website). I wonder if NCL could have altered her original design somewhat and attached a longer forecastle and bow. It really looks terrible when compared to Aurora's bow IMO. Imagine one high wave coming over her bow and washing out all those forward rooms, but I guess the change of that happening while she is cruising off the coasts of Hawaii are remote.

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Ernst
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posted 03-03-2005 07:06 PM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
Can we really blame her original owners and designer for such an awful short forecastle? As I recall, her midsection was all that was completed when she was towed to Germany from the Mississippi shipyard (there are photos of her center portion on the shipyard website). I wonder if NCL could have altered her original design somewhat and attached a longer forecastle and bow. It really looks terrible when compared to Aurora's bow IMO. Imagine one high wave coming over her bow and washing out all those forward rooms, but I guess the change of that happening while she is cruising off the coasts of Hawaii are remote.

Are there no waves near Hawaii?

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bulbousbow
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posted 03-03-2005 08:29 PM

quote:
lasuvidaboy wrote:
Imagine one high wave coming over her bow and washing out all those forward rooms...

Yes, but that can happen to Aurora as well. From that small pic we can't really tell if Pride of America's forecastle is higher than that of Aurora's. One thing is for certain, the bows are designed differently, and unless we have the tank test results we don’t know for sure which of the two bows is best in rougher than normal seas. One thing is for sure she’ll float.

******

Cheers

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Onno
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posted 03-03-2005 08:39 PM

Here is a design alteration I did of POA back in 2002. small changes can make a big difference.

I still can’t get warm feelings when thinking of this ship, exterior is unnecessarily ugly for a modern ship, her themed interiors don’t appeal either but I first need to see some good finished pictures before I dub the ship POU (Pride of Ugliness)

Onno

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Onno
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posted 03-03-2005 08:43 PM

quote:
Originally posted by bulbousbow:
One thing is for sure she’ll float.
Cheers

Don’t be so sure, remember what happened last year? She capsized and sank during a big storm, okay the water was not so deep so she did not go completely under water, but still her lower decks flooded.

If it happened during a cruise then people could have been killed.

Onno

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bulbousbow
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posted 03-03-2005 08:55 PM

quote:
onno wrote:
Don’t be so sure, remember what happened last year? She capsized and sank during a big storm, okay the water was not so deep so she did not go completely under water, but still her lower decks flooded.

Onno, there were holes in her hull. Any cruise ship with such holes would do the same.

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Cheers

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Waynaro
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posted 03-03-2005 10:03 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Beezo:
But you also have to realize that it is not NCL's fault for the length of the bow...they improved the ship as best as they could after buying it from USL.
~Brian

Yes, they have improved her, but one thing they ruined was her auditorium. What used to be a floor to ceiling observation lounge/meeting rooms/auditorium now became a window-less auditorium.....

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lasuvidaboy
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posted 03-04-2005 12:53 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ernst:
Are there no waves near Hawaii?

She will be more of a coastal cruise ship. Cruising around Hawaii within sight of land at most times. Her longest deep sea voyage will be her delivery cruise across from L.A..

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Ernst
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posted 03-04-2005 01:28 AM

quote:
Originally posted by lasuvidaboy:
She will be more of a coastal cruise ship. Cruising around Hawaii within sight of land at most times. Her longest deep sea voyage will be her delivery cruise across from L.A..

But there are still the same waves.

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