It's getting ridiculous! CARNIVAL LIBERTY, FREEDOM OF THE SEAS, CARNIVAL FREEDOM, and of course next will be LIBERTY OF THE SEAS. We also have "homeland cruising" and PRIDE OF AMERICA with NCL and who knows what will be next. Can't they think up anything more original? I find it almost insulting and definitely sickening. While I'm proud to be an American, I am frankly sick of having this patriotism shoved down my throat .... especially when it's a blatant attempt to capitalize on it.

Ernie

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CARNIVAL CRUISE LINES' NEW 110,000-TON SUPERLINER TO BE NAMED CARNIVAL
FREEDOM

New 2,974-Passenger 'Fun Ship' Scheduled To Enter Service in Spring 2007

MIAMI (November 16, 2004) - Carnival Freedom is the name selected by Carnival Cruise Lines for its new 110,000-ton cruise ship scheduled to enter service in spring 2007.

To be built at a cost of $500 million at the Fincantieri shipyard in Sestri, Italy, the new 2,974-passenger "Fun Ship" will be the fifth in Carnival's highly successful Conquest-class, which also includes Carnival Conquest and Carnival Glory, currently in service, and Carnival Valor and Carnival Liberty, set to debut Dec. 15, 2004, and
July 20, 2005, respectively. The itinerary for the Carnival Freedom will be announced at a later date.

The new Carnival Freedom will encompass 13 passenger decks housing 22 lounges and bars, a 13,300-square-foot health club, a 2,400-square-foot children's play room, a 4,200-square-foot teen
club/game room, four swimming pools, a 214-foot-long water slide, and four restaurants, including an upscale reservations-only supper club.

Other features will include a nine-deck-high atrium, a full gambling casino, a duty-free shopping mall, and a comprehensive golf program. Of the ship's 1,487 staterooms, 60 percent will offer either an ocean view or a balcony.

"Among the largest passenger vessels at sea, Carnival Freedom will embody 'Today's Carnival,' with a huge array of on-board features and
facilities for guests to enjoy. It will certainly be a fantastic addition to the 'Fun Ship' fleet," said Bob Dickinson, Carnival president and CEO.

Carnival Cruise Lines, a unit of Carnival Corporation & plc (NYSE/LSE: CCL; NYSE: CUK), is the world's largest and most popular cruise line
with a fleet of 19 "Fun Ships" operating three- to 16-day voyages to The Bahamas, Caribbean, Mexican Riviera, Alaska, Hawaii, Panama Canal, Canada, New England and Europe. All Carnival cruises can be booked by contacting your travel professional.

Carnival Cruise Lines is a proud member of the exclusive World's Leading Cruise Lines. Our exclusive alliance also includes Holland
America Line, Princess Cruises, Cunard Line, Costa Cruises, Windstar Cruises and The Yachts of Seabourn. Sharing a passion to please each
guest, and a commitment to quality and value, our member lines appeal to a wide range of lifestyles and budgets. Together, we offer exciting and enriching cruise vacations to the world's most desirable destinations.

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It's an interesting viewpoint from Ernie (although we may not all share it) so lets debate in without insulting each other or other nations, for that matter.

Thanks!

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CARNIVAL VOYAGER? CARNIVAL NAVIGATOR? CARNIVAL ADVENTURE? CARNIVAL MARINER? CARNIVAL EXPLORER?

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Originally posted by eroller:
This just adds to my argument of how these companies are trying to tie in their ship names to the patriotic frenzy here in the US.

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It's a little sad, because it plays apon (some) American's fears of all things foreign.

I’m going off at a bit of a tangent, here, but on the subject of ship names...not all Brits are Royalists, you know? After all we have to fund them!

It often seems that other nations are more interested in the Royal family than many of us locals. It seems to me that the whole ‘Queen Mary/Cunard’ brand is particularly aimed at American’s.

Therefore some Brits are not at all excited by the talk of a new Cunard ‘Queen’or the previous ones come to that.

Interestingly something can only be called 'Royal' here if it is approved of/endorsed by the Qeen, i.e. 'Royal Mail'. Therefore 'Royal Caribbean Cruise Line' would not be called that if it was British - unless the Queen approved.

Back to Ernies post...

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Whoever got paid, and a pat on the shoulder for coming up with such a non-brilliant, non-admirable, completely unimaginative name, should be collecting his/her final pay packet at the end of the month. I can't believe how daft this is.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

It's a little sad, because it plays apon (some) American's fears of all things foreign.

I’m going off at a bit of a tangent, here, but on the subject of ship names...not all Brits are Royalists, you know? After all we have to fund them!

It often seems that other nations are more interested in the Royal family than many of us locals. It seems to me that the whole ‘Queen Mary/Cunard’ brand is particularly aimed at American’s.

Therefore some Brits are not at all excited by the talk of a new Cunard ‘Queen’or the previous ones come to that.

Interestingly something can only be called 'Royal' here if it is approved of/endorsed by the Qeen, i.e. 'Royal Mail'. Therefore 'Royal Caribbean Cruise Line' would not be called that if it was British - unless the Queen approved.

Back to Ernies post...

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As lines continue to add ships at a faster rate than they are divesting old tonnage, we are going to see more 'daft' names.

I think "Freedom of the Seas" a bit less commercial than putting the word and concept "Freedom" after your company and brand name.

By the way, I think "Freedom of the Seas", is an old judicial concept, thought out by the Dutch Reanissance lawyer/doctor of Law Hugo Grotius - the beginning of the modern ordening of the international society by law.

Still, I find it difficult to accept that commercial companies make use of a invaluable moral and legal concept to market their product.

Some days after FotS, Carnival Freedom is of course unbelievable and copycat. I wonder what they are thinking now at the RCI headquarters.

Also in Belgium, there are conditions to use "Koninklijk(e)" /"Royal(e)". Even street names after the royal family have to be approved. Some years ago the Royal PAlace thought there were to many streets named after royals, so it stopped. They follow the same line of thought : the banalisation of important names, concepts, symbols, brings about a devaluation of these names, concepts, symbols.

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Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:

Therefore some Brits are not at all excited by the talk of a new Cunard ‘Queen’or the previous ones come to that.

Therefore 'Royal Caribbean Cruise Line' would not be called that if it was British - unless the Queen approved.

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Well, Malcolm, I think one can admire and be interested in the Cunard "Queens", without being a royalist

About Royal Caribbean : this was originally a Norvegian company, and, as Norway has a monarchy, I have always been of the opinion, that they had royal approval of some sort of kind. but I can be wrong.

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This thread quickly got out of hand so some deletions have been made.

It's an interesting viewpoint from Ernie (although we may not all share it) so lets debate in without insulting each other or other nations, for that matter.

Thanks!

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Malcolm,
You're no fun! I didn't get to see what was deleted but I think one of my replies was. I know there wasn't anything out of hand in my post, and certainly no bashing of other countries. I guess it got rather heated! That's what I get for going to the gym.

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It's an interesting viewpoint from Ernie (although we may not all share it) so lets debate in without insulting each other or other nations, for that matter.

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I bet Carnival got the name from RCI.... Interesting that it comes a week after RCI's announcement.

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How do you know that? What about if Carnival already had this name in mind and RCI beat them to it?

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Pam wrote:
Whoever got paid, and a pat on the shoulder for coming up with such a non-brilliant, non-admirable, completely unimaginative name, should be collecting his/her final pay packet at the end of the month. I can't believe how daft this is.

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Maybe Micky Arison should get the sack.

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Verona wrote:
…wonder what the possibility for stow-aways are on these vessels

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Minimal.

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Globaliser wrote:
Well, there's one thing in Ernie's post which I share without any reservation at all: The odds are shortening every day on Liberty of the Seas.

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If you already have Freedom of the Seas why have Liberty of the Seas? Does it sound right? Not in my opinion.

I think both Carnival and RCI are stuck in this vicious circle. Imagine if Carnival and RCI became one entity. How sad would that be?

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If you already have Freedom of the Seas why have Liberty of the Seas? Does it sound right? Not in my opinion.

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It doesn't sound right to me for more reasons than the consecutive names, but we've been round those houses already.

No I think there is only one person at Carnival who has the last call in naming these ships and we all know who that is. I though Carnival was all business and economics, how many times do we read that the cruise industry is not about passion anymore but about making profit? And then this patty thing comes around, okay naming your ship similar as the competition is an outing of passion, but it is one at the wrong end of passion. This Freedom name decision is truly showing the world a bad non-professional and not so flattering side of the company.

I can’t believe they even try naming their ships (especially all the patriotic naming that seems to be the trend lately), passengers (whoops almost forgot they are called guests these days) don’t know the name or remember the name of the ship they are sailing and probably don’t give a darn about it anyway. Why not simply call the ships with in the Carnival fleet and company simply:

Carnival 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc
HAL 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc
Costa 1,2,3,4,5,6 etc
Cunard 1,2
P&O 1,2,3,4
Princess 1,2,3,4,5 etc

Safes again on the creativity department (and they would be glad because judging from the naming policy they truly are drained of all creativity)

Just paint a big number on the hull and ignorant guests won’t make the mistake of turning up at the wrong ship because they don’t see the difference anyway between all cruise ships.

It seems to me that "Carnival Freedom" is an existing concept, which refers to the very origins of Carnival, and one which the company and its company won't like, i.e. the reversal of the existing order.

During Carnival, people had such Freedom, to reverse the existing order : servants could order the masters etc. It was a way of lessening the social tensions in the bad olden days of feudalism and autocracy, and a way of saying how the ideal world could look, which was a criticism to the ruling classes.

There are some relics of it, in the modern way of celebrating carnival, where the "Prince Of Carnival" of "Carnival Prince" or "Princess" receives the keys of the city of the Mayor, for the time of carnival.

It was/ is "fun" of course, but "Carnival" and "Carnival Freedom" has a dark side, and serious roots.

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Originally posted by mec1:
I think it is a real shame that Carnival dumped their early naming policy of French adjectival names - Festivale, Carnivale, Tropicale.

Why not have Mysticale, Musicale, Royale, Imperiale, Lyricale, Musicale, Comicale, Romanticale, Loyale, Magicale, and so on??>

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Elegance of the Seas
Passion of the Seas
Opulence of the Seas
Dignity of the Seas
Eminence of the Seas
Nobility of the Seas

I also agree that Carnival should play on their roots. Mardis Gras, Carnivale, Festivale, etc. would all be wonderful names for the company's newbuilds.

I like your idea of numbers, clear, straight and honest, for such of-the-band ships.

Still, it has been done, R-1, R-2, R-3...