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PamM
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posted 09-29-2004 12:22 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Cruise ship looses power in rough seas

HALIFAX, NS, Sep. 28 (UPI) -- Passengers from a cruise ship that docked in Halifax Tuesday said with ocean swells up to 50 feet high, it was harrowing when their ship lost power.

The ship, Rotterdam, was sailing on the edge of Hurricane Karl Friday when the ship lost power and all four engines aboard failed, the Canadian Broadcasting Corp. reported.

The loss of the ship's electrical systems and stabilizers sent the 782-foot-long vessel tilting at 35- to 40-degree angles on its North Atlantic trip from Ireland to Canada.

"It was more or less the cruise from hell," passenger Herman Veder of Boca Raton, Fla., told the CBC. "Furniture was flying all over the place. Pianos were not bolted down. In the gym, all the weights came loose and started rolling around."

An unknown number of people suffered broken bones, gashes and bruises, but none of the injuries was life-threatening, a spokesman for the cruise line said.

The ship is structurally sound and an investigation has begun into what caused the engines to quit, a Holland America spokesperson said."

From Washington Times

Pam


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 09-29-2004 04:32 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
How does that class of HAL ship handle adverse weather-Rotterdam V was designed for the North Atlantic and the possible nasty weather but what about the 1997 built Rotterdam VI?
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Maasdam
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posted 09-29-2004 05:05 PM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She is designed (based on the Statendam class) to operate diffrend oceans and wether. So she was able to make the HAL anual world cruises. She is not designed as a true Atlantic liner, she is more of a mix between a cruiseship an a Atlantic liner. Sort off first after QE2 (afcorse the QM2 is a frome keel plates up designed Atlantic liner) Maybe someone cane give you the more technical details.

I been told last year whene she was in Rotterdam and i was a/b this lady. That she handles very good in bat wetter.

I believe that every ship with a totall blackout would rock and roll in such a storm. Buth would not be a/b vessel whene this would happen.

Happy that the lady is safe with all here passengers in port.


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desirod7
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posted 09-29-2004 05:57 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Rotterdam 6 is actually built with tumblehome.

Got a good gander at her in NYC when seeing
Sympatico and RuthPerk on a Bon Voyage


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lasuvidaboy
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posted 09-29-2004 07:39 PM      Profile for lasuvidaboy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by desirod7:
Rotterdam 6 is actually built with tumblehome.

Got a good gander at her in NYC when seeing
Sympatico and RuthPerk on a Bon Voyage


Wow, I am surprised. I thought the last cruise ships built with that were Cunard Princess and Countess.


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Cambodge
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posted 09-29-2004 08:08 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Good..everyone has discussed design, with emphasis on hull features, cruise ship vs liner and all that.

Now, will someone address why the engines failed?

All of them, according to reports posted here. A great hull does not mean that such problems cannot happen.

Ever since QE2 "ran out of steam" off Bermuda and her passengers had to be rescued by Sea Venture, I thought that there was sufficient redundancy aboard modern designs so that "hotel power," lights, plumbing, that sort of thing could be maintained even if propulsion power had problems.

This report does not indicate that was the case.
Or do I misread here?


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PamM
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posted 09-29-2004 09:22 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think it is trying to paint a worse picture than it was. There is a report elsewhere from someone whose mother was aboard. There is no mention of the Hotel Power being down, purely the propulsion systems it seems. I am quite sure if it were, the fact would have mentioned as the report is well written and rationale. No dramatics. See here.

Note how further down one can see how rumours get passed on...

Pam


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joe at travelpage
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posted 10-01-2004 12:32 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just put up a review from someone who was on this trip. Here's the full review.

Here's what he had to say about the storm:

quote:
This was a remarkable trip, in that the ship was rendered powerless and adrift for over three hours on September 24 by Gale force waves and wind, with several serious injuries to passengers and serious (non-structural) damage to the ship. The reason for the power failure is still undetermined but apparently involved the failure of either the lubricating oil filters or an engine control program. The ship behaved well during the emergency, which began at 6:10 PM ship's time, and despite being at the mercy of the elements did not appear to roll more than 25 degrees. Passengers were kept well-informed of progress (at least once every 30 minutes) by the Captain and the serious if cosmetic damage was largely repaired at sea during the next day. The exact nature of the engine problems was not diagnosed and therefore there was some tension during subesequent storms, particularly a full Gale which occcured the day before the "Rotterdam" docked in New York (September 30). The ship had to cancel two port calls, the first at Plymouth, UK (a Tender port) owing to high winds and swells and the second at St. Johns, Newfoundland owing to the damage caused by the storm on 24 September. This was a remarkable month for hurricanes and despite the careful attempts of the Captain to avoid them (including reversing our intended course to sail south around Ireland rather than North, then diverting some 500 miles toward the Azores) it was impossible to avoid the remnants of hurricanes Carl (24 September) and Jeanne (29 September). It should be noted that Holland-America Line will refund half of every passenger's fare so long as the passenger will sign a hold-harmless release. In general the cruise was enjoyable if occasionally overexciting, and no one should book a transatlantic cruise in September who is prone to seasickness.

Joe at TravelPage.com


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petede
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posted 10-03-2004 12:10 AM      Profile for petede     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A ship in a gale without power is in a dangerous position to say the least. A powerless ship slipping and sliding sideways in troughs exposes her beam to waves. A large wave, or the right frequency of waves could capsize the ship. I think that HAL has answers to provide on how this could have happened. I don't think people realize how serious it could have become, I think a great tragedy was averted, if only by luck that the seas were not higher.
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Dolphins
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posted 10-04-2004 10:48 PM      Profile for Dolphins   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We sailed Rotterdam VI from the UK to New York via Iceland, Greenland & Newfoundland. We had some pretty rough weather (unable to tender in Greenland) but we thought the ship handled very well in rough seas, under power of course.
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posted 10-08-2004 08:58 PM      Profile for ALKI     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I was aboard the Rotterdam on her Transatlantic voyage (my review on Travelpage has been posted) and can clarify a few things. First, there was total power loss to everything except (apparently) emergency lights, lifesaving equipment (I hope!) and -- curiously -- the vanity mirrors in the staterooms. The ship stopped completely and many efforts over 3 hours were (very audibly) made to restart the engines -- we had been told that of five engines, one was always on regular overhaul, two were in use and two were available. Despite this, the filter failure effected all five. This suggests a computer glitch.

Reports of 20-meter waves (Halifax papers) or 40-degree rolls (Seattle papers) are very exaggerated. Cabins on Decks 1 and 2 were often under green or white water, but 20-meter waves would have washed me off my deck -- and I was outside most of the time. I was in a high verandah cabin on 6 Deck and at all times was able to get about my cabin from the verandah to the hallway (to open the cabin door for light). I couldn't possibly have done this if the ship had rolled more than 30 degrees. I have said, and repeat, the ship behaved very well, and I doubt she rolled more than 25 degrees -- remember that the first Queen Mary used to roll routinely up to 45 degrees at speed, before she was fitted with stabilizers.

Crew and passengers also behaved very well and the damage, while dramatic, was entirely cosmetic. Yes, the pianos should be secured to the decks (all the tables are). Even had the power not been restored it would have been very unpleasant but not life-threatening (unless, possibly, it had been decided to transfer passengers by boats in 35-foot seas).

Holland-America bent over backwards to make amends, by opening the bars the next night with free drinks (and Boy, did the passengers gulp it down!), by providing free excursions in Halifax, and most remarkably by refunding 50% of the cruise fare to passengers who signed a hold-harmless waiver.

In short, a rough trip. But hardly a "cruise from Hell."


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