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PamM
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posted 05-18-2004 04:33 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"Queen Elizabeth 2 fire extinguished
A fire that broke out on board Cunard?s 70,327gt cruise liner Queen Elizabeth 2 today has been extinguished. The ship is in drydock at Lloyd Werft, where it is undergoing a refit. 28 fire fighters from Bremerhaven were quickly on the scene. Reports this afternoon said refit work is not expected to be delayed beyond its scheduled completion on Thursday and the ship will be ready for its Northern Delights cruise from Southampton to Oslo, Copenhagen and Amsterdam, departing from the UK on 22 May.
17:01 18 May"
From Fairplay

I suppose normally this sort of shipyard incident doesn't make news, can't have been much if she's still ready for sailing in a few days.

Pam

[ 05-18-2004: Message edited by: PamM ]


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Johan
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posted 05-18-2004 04:49 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Let s hope so.
Norway in mind..
Lloyd werft is prone to accidents...
fire is so dangerous

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linerguy
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posted 05-18-2004 04:50 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks, Pam. Am glad to read that the damage wasn't too bad.

Let's see....there's NORWAY sitting there in limbo, Pride of America sinks at her berth, and now QE2 suffers a small fire.

Ever get the feeling that Bremerhaven may not be the best choice to have work done?

Russ


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Barryboat
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posted 05-18-2004 04:51 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
QM2 was in the news today...apparently there was a highseas rescue, where Coast Guard did an airlift from the deck. A passenger or crew member had some sort of internal bleeding.

Anyone else hear about this?


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Johan
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posted 05-18-2004 05:03 PM      Profile for Johan   Email Johan   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where was "Europa" 1929 made ??
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PamM
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posted 05-19-2004 05:25 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
One is not allowed to criticise the USCG, but their Press Release takes the biscuit:-
"Date: May 17, 2004
Contact: Donnie Brzuska Cell: 757-398-6274

Coast Guard Airlifts Queen Mary II Crewman

PORTSMOUTH, Va. ? A man was airlifted by the Coast Guard today at about 2:30 p.m. off the cruise ship Queen Mary II 125 nautical miles southeast of the North Carolina?s Outer Banks after the onboard physician diagnosed the man with internal bleeding.

Jason Parra, 36, was hoisted off the Queen Mary II by a rescue-helicopter crew from Air Station Elizabeth City, N.C., and was accompanied by a rescue airplane from Air Station Elizabeth City.

Para was taken to Norfolk Sentara General Hospital in Norfolk, Va., and is listed in stable condition.

The Queen Mary II was on its way to New York City.

*Editor's note: Video of the rescue is available at Air Station Elizabeth City and is in Hi-8 and VHS cassette foramt. Please contact Donnie Brzuska for more information.*"

linerguy, if it wasn't at Lloyd Werft I doubt the fire would even have made the local newspapers.

Pam


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Guest
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posted 05-19-2004 10:16 AM      Profile for Guest        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
DONT DO THAT TO ME!! I all-most passed out when I read the topic of this post haha

Glad to hear she will be ready for the start of her next cruise!!

Chris.


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Cambodge
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posted 05-19-2004 10:21 AM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PamM:
I normally am in complete agreement with your postings, but I fail to see what is your "hangup" about the USCG press release? Was it the fact that they used "Queen Mary II" vs the correct "Queen Mary2?"
I see nothing wrong in the Press Release. It is factual and informative.

All hands keep this in mind. The USCG is fighting for its right to exist! [Disclosure, I have no affiliation or fiscal interest in the wellbeing of the USCG]

Founded as an element of the US Treasury to operate "Revenu Cutters," it has bounced around between the US Departments of Treasury, Navy, (wartime), Transportation, and now "Homeland Security." It is doing the right thing by sending out press releases to newspapers countrywide. If a paper in East Overshoe Kansas decides to run it as a column filler, there are an additional finite number of citizens, voters, taxpayers who may become aware of the USCG's functions.

It no longer is a "service to millionaire yachtsmen," to tow them when in distress, or refill their fuel tanks. It is a significant rescue element of our coasts. If it has to blow its own horn from time to time when it performs a rescue from Alaskan fishermen to ship crewmen, so be it.

Or did I miss something in the press release?


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Globaliser
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posted 05-19-2004 01:48 PM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Very personally, the thing that jarred was "Video of the rescue is available at ...". Time to reach for the bucket and all that.
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CGT
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posted 05-19-2004 01:54 PM      Profile for CGT        Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Globaliser:
Very personally, the thing that jarred was "Video of the rescue is available at ...". Time to reach for the bucket and all that.

Yes it is available - FOR NEWS OUTLETS, what are you thinking?


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Cambodge
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posted 05-19-2004 01:59 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To me, the stated availability of the video is quite simple.

Local TV stations are starved for "filler" material. Regularly on DC stations I see photos of a dog being rescured in Kansas City, a car wreck in Idaho, and anything else that is available to fill a short gap between network and local coverage.

Just as press releases often include photos (you should see the handouts and giveaways at tables at the National Press Club of Washington, of which I am a member), so having clippings, photos, AND videos of an incident available to media outlets, is just the work of a competent PR specialist. No more, no less.

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PamM
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posted 05-19-2004 03:20 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No Cambodge, you didn't miss anything, my outburst was purely with the reference to 'Queen Mary II'. I did think the USCG could have got that right. But I admit my comment re taking the biscuit was OTT. Nothing wrong in the release itself & the media need their footage. Wonder how much they have to pay for it?

The USCG do a sterling job, no bones to pick with them at all. It's the TSA and Homeland Security I do have bones with. [MrP managed to get through all security checks last week in LAX with a boarding pass in someone else's name, issued in error at check-in; he only noticed himself at the gate, so much for the security checks]

But anyway, I do apologise for my comments.

The USCG on QM2 were nice chaps. They brought what I assume was their own photographer as they spent the time having their photos taken about ship by him, and posing for the pax to snap them too

Pam


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linerguy
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posted 05-19-2004 03:32 PM      Profile for linerguy     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pam, I'm sure you're right.

Johan, to answer your question, Europa of '29 (actually, because of the shipyard fire, she entered service in '30), was built at Blohm & Voss.

Bremen of '29 was built at the Weser shipyards.

Two of my favorites.

Russ


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Cambodge
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posted 05-19-2004 03:57 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PamM:

1. Apology accepted!
2. I was incorrect in stating that I did not have a vested interest in the USCG. Last winter, they broke ice at the docks at the end the end of my street before the plows opened up the street itself - my taxpayer dollars at work!
3. I doubt if the media have to pay anything for their video feeds on incidents such as this. It is good PR for the entity getting the publicity.
4. Homeland Security is still pretty much a zoo, and the past few days hearings by the 9/11 commission indicate things have not improved to any significant intent.

I have been in security-oriented activities for much of my professional life - as had my wife, as you may remember. I have noted that it is the "appearance of security" that counts. If "X" had been wearing an appropriate badge, this would not have happened." If "Y" had been properly signed in, this would not have occured, etc etc. Nonsense!

I remember during the Korean War, in Far East Command Headquarters, Tokyo, we were engaged in "secret" plans for an invasion. We had tons of air photos of our objectives. We did not have classified metal locking cabinets to keep said photos in, and had only flimsy wooden cabinets. But some genius got someone else to "certify" that these cabinets were adequate to keep secret photos.

Problem solved! And the war went on.

plus ca change.......


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Globaliser
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posted 05-20-2004 05:17 AM      Profile for Globaliser     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by CGT:
Yes it is available - FOR NEWS OUTLETS, what are you thinking?
Precisely. These days, every time anything happens, there's always a media scrum intrusively and obssessively looking for "pictures", whether still or moving. Their main aim is to use them to sell their news "product", not to enlighten or inform people.

The industrial selling of "news" has departed a long way from the real and important business of publicly disseminating information about events that are happening. You only have to look at the way non-events are given so much air time or column inches by the media while real and important events are just ignored.

Offering video just panders to the prurience of the media and their customers. But I have been reminded yet again why it's such a good thing that I don't watch TV.


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posted 05-20-2004 05:32 AM      Profile for Maasdam   Author's Homepage   Email Maasdam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
There was a fire oke and what i understand a small fire. The ship is now safe and the damege would be repaird by the yard. mishaps will happen look at the new Westerdam there was a massif fire she was still on the yard. The ship was entering service on time.

The yard have bad luck with the Pride of America oke. Buth its not there rong doing with the norway the blame is on NCL.

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