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Topic: Why Adonia over Oriana?

Guest
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posted 03-09-2004 10:39 AM

Am I correct in saying Oriana is not on World Cruise this year? Why was Adonia selected over Oriana?

Chris

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Eric
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posted 03-09-2004 11:58 AM

Adonia is doing a far east & Australasia cruise & not going through Panama canal as in a full world cruise. This is being done by Aurora. Oriana has done a circuit of South America, roughly same as Arcadia did last year. My interpretation is that they found having two ships on a full world cruise last year (in oposite directions) was just not profitable enough, there are only so many people who want to do the long sea legs of a world cruise.
Eric

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-09-2004 12:10 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Eric:
... there are only so many people who want to do the long sea legs of a world cruise.
Eric

There are only so many people that can get the time off work and can afford it!

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PamM
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posted 03-09-2004 12:22 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Eric:
My interpretation is that they found having two ships on a full world cruise last year (in oposite directions) was just not profitable enough, there are only so many people who want to do the long sea legs of a world cruise.

Eric, am I right in saying that prior to last year, only either Aurora or Oriana did the WC? Taking it in turns? I can't recall and haven't kept the brochures.
Pam

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mec1
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posted 03-09-2004 12:49 PM

This year, Adonia was selected to do a World Cruise because her adult-only status was felt to be more likely to shift berths. Unforutnately, when it came to planning the cruise she was simply too slow to do a classic world cruise, hence the looping Orient route she is doing now. Next year, Oriana and Aurora will both, as they were designed to, be doing worldies.

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SydneyBoy
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posted 03-09-2004 08:28 PM

Pam, Since at least 95 when Oriana was introduced 2 P&O Liners have done the World Cruise together each year, sailing in oppposite.

96 and 97 i know it was Oriana and im sure her running mate was Canberra, 98, 99 and 2000 i think was Oriana and Arcadia and then after the introduction of Aurora the 01, 02 and 03 world cruises were done by the 2 sisters made for the job Oriana and Aurora! I was shocked when they seperated these 2 and took Oriana off the route she is suited to in favour of Adonia!

Only concelation was i got to see a Sun Class ship here in Sydney. This is the first time i can remember also that one of the P&O world cruises was not really a world cruise!

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-10-2004 01:00 AM

Apart from The Aurora World Cruise, P&O advertised as The Adonia Grand Voyage because she doesn't make to circumnavigate the round the world.

P&O started the Round the world cruises by 2 ships since 1992 after Sea Princess transfered to P&O fleet.

Pam - Here's the list

Year Westbound / Eastbound
-------------------------------------
1992 Canberra / Sea Princess
1993 Canberra / Sea Princess
1994 Canberra / Sea Princess
1995 Canberra / Sea Princess
1996 Oriana / Canberra
1997 Oriana / Canberra
1998 Oriana / Arcadia
1999 Oriana / Arcadia
2000 Oriana / Victoria
2001 Aurora / Oriana
2002 Aurora / Oriana
2003 Aurora / Oriana

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PamM
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posted 03-10-2004 03:47 AM

Thanks.. the always 2nd WC seems to have passed me by, can't have looked too closely not being able to even think about going

I have seen reports that Adonia has been late arriving at a number of her calls recently, the official 'excuse' being the adverse currents. But it makes one wonder from mec1's comments, if they didn't do enough planning, leaving more room timewise, for known factors, plus for the unknown. Seems maybe her performance was overestimated and she just isn't suited for this type of cruise?

I fail to see the logic behind Adonia being chosen due to her 'Adult Only' status. Quite how many kids does one ever get on this type of cruise in the first place? A handful if that! [bmajor/robyn how many children were on your recent Aurora segments?]
She'd have been better off providing an adult environment in the Caribbean imho.

Pam

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-10-2004 07:30 AM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I have seen reports that Adonia has been late arriving at a number of her calls recently,

As I watched the Adonia's Bridge cam in Vung Tau, Hong Kong, Manila, Whitsunday Islands, Brisbane and Albany. She arrived in time as P&O scheduled except Hong Kong.

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Globaliser
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posted 03-10-2004 08:50 AM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I fail to see the logic behind Adonia being chosen due to her 'Adult Only' status. Quite how many kids does one ever get on this type of cruise in the first place? A handful if that! She'd have been better off providing an adult environment in the Caribbean imho.

The kids' spaces have been replaced by additional adult areas, like Lazy on a Sunday. Maybe they thought that, if there were going to be no kids on board, it would be better to be able to offer additional adult facilities like LoaS rather than effectively wasted space.

Ironically, I personally think that LoaS is wasted space on a shorter cruise, but it would come into its own on a world cruise.

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posted 03-10-2004 09:02 AM

So really no one knows for sure why Oriana was not cruising the globe this year...

Well no matter, Adonia was far more exciting to see then Oriana was.

Chris

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-10-2004 09:30 AM

Chris, Eric answered already

quote:
Originally posted by Eric:
Oriana has done a circuit of South America, roughly same as Arcadia did last year.

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Guest
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posted 03-10-2004 09:43 AM

Yes but, if the "adults only" factor does not count for anything, why switch?

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-10-2004 09:52 AM

I thought P&O tried to test New Cruise route by New Ship and New concept especially for longer voyages.

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PamM
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posted 03-10-2004 10:05 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Ocean Liners:
As I watched the Adonia's Bridge cam in Vung Tau, Hong Kong, Manila, Whitsunday Islands, Brisbane and Albany. She arrived in time as P&O scheduled except Hong Kong.

It was posted to P&O's Cruise Connections that Adonia was late arriving at 6 out of 14 ports. I don't know which ones off hand. But passengers aboard who were told that it was simply adverse currents and weather that had caused delays, felt they were being 'fobbed off', and suspected it was the ship's
inability to maintain sufficent cruising speed to match the itinerary. I will have a look later and see if I can see which ports. But it does seem a lot, and the weather can't be that bad for those aboard to query it.
Some pax who have returned from a segment or two have complained there is a complete lack of storage space for this type of cruising.
Pam

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posted 03-10-2004 10:32 AM

Adonia was late leaving Perth.

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Cambodge
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posted 03-10-2004 10:52 AM

PamM:

"Adverse currents?"

Come off of it, P&O! Consistently, purveyors of sea, rail, and air travel underestimate the intellectual sophistication of their clients in the excuses they make for performance failures. We have heard all sorts of excuses at airline gates, on train PA systems and such. 99% piffle as I recall!

With veritable constellations of satellites, the tracking of currents is now real-time. A skipper who did not know that the current was running at XX-knots to the NE at suchandsuch a location and planned accordingly should get off the bridge!

One of these days people will be told the real reasons for delays. But, not in my lifetime, I fear.

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PamM
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posted 03-10-2004 11:01 AM

Here's some quotes re the late arrivals:-
"Phuket: late by 3 hours due to unexpected adverse 2 knot current."
"Laem Chabang for Bangkok: 2 hours late due to sea conditions"
"Hong Kong: 2 hours late due to Monsoon current."
& "The problem with late arrivals continues with 3 more up to Sydney" .. no idea which ones there though.
Pam

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posted 03-10-2004 11:04 AM

quote:
Originally posted by Chris Cunard:
Adonia was late leaving Perth.

Perhaps late arrivals are due to late departures?

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BTF
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posted 03-10-2004 11:30 AM

Adonia (ex Sea Princess) was basically designed for Caribbean cruising and probably has difficulty in maintaining long distance cruising under a tight schedule. Usually ships have sufficent power under normal cruising speed to offset as much as possible delays and adverse sailing conditions so I suspect that P&O has stretched its sailing orders to Adonia to its limit. Hence what appears to be constant delays.

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mec1
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posted 03-10-2004 12:18 PM

The other factor in all of this is of course that now Oriana is the oldest and smallest ship in tyhe fleet and therefore P&O are actually following industry custom by sending her on different itineraries, just as this role has been taken on by Royal within the Princess fleet.

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robyn
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posted 03-10-2004 04:56 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I fail to see the logic behind Adonia being chosen due to her 'Adult Only' status. Quite how many kids does one ever get on this type of cruise in the first place? A handful if that! [bmajor/robyn how many children were on your recent Aurora segments?]
Pam

Hi Pam - only a couple of early teens that I can recall on my Auckland to Brisbane sector, and I think they were disembarking in Darwin.

It appears P&O have now had a change of heart and it is good to see Oriana will be resuming her traditional World Cruise for 2005.

As for me.....I'll be on the Sydney to Southampton sector on Aurora's World Cruise 2005 - all 57 days...but I think I should start a new topic on that one! I'm still catching my breath from my decision to 'retire' in July and booking the World Cruise sector while I was onboard Aurora - must have been all the sea air!

Regards....Robyn

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 03-10-2004 05:05 PM

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
I fail to see the logic behind Adonia being chosen due to her 'Adult Only' status.

I think there are several cruisetalkers who would regard one child as 'too many'!

(Not me I should add.)

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-11-2004 12:20 AM

quote:
Originally posted by BTF:
Adonia (ex Sea Princess) was basically designed for Caribbean cruising and probably has difficulty in maintaining long distance cruising under a tight schedule. Usually ships have sufficent power under normal cruising speed to offset as much as possible delays and adverse sailing conditions so I suspect that P&O has stretched its sailing orders to Adonia to its limit. Hence what appears to be constant delays.

When adonia sailed as Sea Princess in Apr - May 2001, Princess scheduled to sail from Ensenada to Hilo in 5 nights/6 days.

Adonia's most longest sector of outward voyage is between Aqaba and Salaah to sail in 5 nights/6 days and she has arrived on time.

Victoria did sail from Aqaba and Salaah in 5 nights/6 days on the Millennium World Cruise.
Victoria was basically designed for Worldwide cruising.

quote:
Originally posted by PamM:
Here's some quotes re the late arrivals:-
"Phuket: late by 3 hours due to unexpected adverse 2 knot current."
"Laem Chabang for Bangkok: 2 hours late due to sea conditions"
"Hong Kong: 2 hours late due to Monsoon current."
& "The problem with late arrivals continues with 3 more up to Sydney" .. no idea which ones there though.

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Ocean Liners
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posted 03-12-2004 01:12 AM

Here's the list for compalison between Adonia and Rotterdam concerning the late arrival ports

Adnoia

Colombo Jan 27 dep 7:00pm
Phuket Jan 30 arr 8:00am

Rotterdam 5 *Reverse direction

Phuket Mar 7 dep 7:00pm
Colombo Mar 10 arr 8:00am dep 8:00pm

Adonia

Singapore Feb 2 dep 6:00pm
Laem Chabang(For Bangkok) Feb 4 arr 9:00am

Rotterdam 5

Singapore Mar 12 dep 5:00pm
Pattaya(For Bangkok) Mar 14 arr 8:00am

Adonia

Vung Tau( For Ho Chin Minh City) Feb 7 dep 7:00pm
Hong Kong Feb 9 arr 9:00pm

Rotterdam 6

Vung Tau( For Ho Chin Minh City) Mar 9 dep 7:00pm
Hong Kong Mar 11 arr 2:00pm

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