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RobHolland
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posted 10-18-2003 07:24 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Has the Berlitz Cruise guide 2004 been released already?
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Grant
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posted 10-19-2003 12:04 AM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
A great source of statists for sure, but how many times can we hear the the selection of breads is poor!! I think the posters here can give better, more interesting and accurate opinions!
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RobHolland
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posted 10-19-2003 04:38 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I fully agree with you Grant!
Remarkable is that sisterships all receive the same score- that makes no sense, in my opinion. But for me it's a 'must have', because of all the additional info it's providing.
Here in Holland it takes some time before this guide is available (have to import it from UK), so who can tell me if it's in the stores already?

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-19-2003 07:00 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RobHolland:
Has the Berlitz Cruise guide 2004 been released already?

It was released here in the UK a few months ago. It is more comprehensive than ever! Amazon.co.uk will probably have it?

It is a great reference book if you remember that it is one Man's (well a team actually) opinion and not a book of pure facts.

I heard that Douglas Ward is seriously ill?

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RobHolland
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posted 10-19-2003 10:02 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks Malcolm. I will contact my local bookshop to order it. Usually it takes around 6 weeks before I receive it... I didn't knew Douglas Ward was ill? Is he still doing his work? I have to say he has one of the better jobs you can imagine- and beside that his worldwide available books are bestsellers.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-19-2003 10:17 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by RobHolland:
Thanks Malcolm. I will contact my local bookshop to order it. Usually it takes around 6 weeks before I receive it...

Amazon will probably be quicker?

I didn't knew Douglas Ward was ill? Is he still doing his work?

Not sure? He actually heads a team who complile the book. He does not cruise on all the ships himself. I heard that he may well not recover, although I have no facts?

I have to say he has one of the better jobs you can imagine...


It's probably not as much fun as it sounds?

There is going to be a second volume called 'River Cruising' - which should be interesting. It's about time, in fact.

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anthonyvandyk
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posted 10-21-2003 02:44 AM      Profile for anthonyvandyk   Email anthonyvandyk   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Have just looked at the Amaxon UK website and find 'Worldwide Guide to River Cruising' to be available on October 31 but nothing about the 2004 edition of 'Complete Guide to Cruising and Cruise Ships'.

Best wishes. Tony


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PamM
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posted 10-21-2003 04:23 AM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Tony it doesn't seem to be out yet
Paperback 650 pages (31 October, 2003)
Publisher: Berlitz Publishing Company Ltd; ISBN: 9812463836 "Ocean Cruising & Cruise Ships 2004"  
Douglas Ward

You can pre-order it from the usual UK online bookstores
Pam

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-21-2003 03:08 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Sorry, I've got 2003 NOT 2004!
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PamM
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posted 10-21-2003 03:32 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well you are more up to date than I am Mine's 2000, perhaps I should try & find some pennies for something more up to date, but my car died this week, I had to get another pronto, so a meagre book might be a long wait! I hate cars!
Pam

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Onno
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posted 10-21-2003 04:06 PM      Profile for Onno   Author's Homepage   Email Onno   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My local library has a few editions and not even following years. I believe the “newest” one is from 1998. so this way it is more of a historical documentation then a usable item. The problem with these sort of books is you best use them when they are fresh, six months later and ships have been taken out of surface, sold, chartered or relocated with sister companies and occasionally a cruise company is bought by Carnival.

I wonder how these guys operate, is it like the Michelin star guys? Are cruise companies spotting the passengers for the Berlitz agents and try to be even better then perfect!

Best, Onno


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RobHolland
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posted 10-22-2003 02:59 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The books always say that 'Douglas Ward is the world's foremost authority on cruising' and he is president of the Maritime Evaluations Group, an independent international agency that rates cruise ships worldwide. But I have NO idea how they actually operate. This mr. Ward is cruising and rating more than 10 months a year and he is depicted with a clear image on the cover. As this book is imo the most interesting and well read cruise guide, this guy must have quite some influence in the cruise business! I am sure they recognise him aboard and he'll receive extra service aboard.

I still remain by my opinion that Ward had a dreamjob.. cruising in extra luxury all the time for free and annually selling a worldwide bestseller? I wish I was his successor!

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Amerikanis
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posted 10-22-2003 04:37 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Of course, this is an dream-job.

Hey.....

...did he look for somebody, who will assist him???

Me?????

Yesterday i ordered at my local book-trader in Germany the Edition 2004 and the Edition for the
River Cruises, this is new.

Both are at the Moment here not available, but my book-trader will look to get them from UK.


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Tim in Fort Lauderdale
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posted 10-22-2003 08:15 AM      Profile for Tim in Fort Lauderdale     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I sailed for a week with Douglas last month; he's looking very well and is quite chipper!

His job is not as dreamy as it sounds, he's constantly traveling for close to 10 months of the year with very little time at home. While he certainly does his fare share of "luxury" lines, the majority of his time is still spend on mass-market ships due to their sheer numbers; don;t forget the enormous amont of time spent in airports and on planes as well!

And I can tell you first hand, when working at sea, 17-19 hour days are not uncommon.

As much as I enjoy my time spent at sea, what I truly look forward to now is coming home to my own home and my own bed.

Tim, home for now and heading back out to sea in just a few days.


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RobHolland
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posted 10-22-2003 12:19 PM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What a coincidence Tim you sailed with him! Which ship were you on, and did you speak with him?
Hope to hear from you.

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Patrick
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posted 10-22-2003 01:06 PM      Profile for Patrick     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
He was on the REGATTA, right ? Raoul has told me about it.
I only met him once during the christening ceremony of the SUN BAY in Kiel 2 years ago. But didn't get the real time to talk to him.

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RobHolland
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posted 12-18-2003 08:26 AM      Profile for RobHolland   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I received my Berlitz guide '04 this week. There is just a slight difference between the 2003 edition, so when you own that one it's unnecessary to buy this new edition. When having 2002 or older editions don't hesitate to buy this one.. imo it's the CruiseBible. Some -not all of the- new ships that made their maiden voyage this year have been reviewed + some additional information. HapagLloyds Europa is still the best reviewed ship (*****+). As expected, but unfortunately, Costa Fortuna hasn't been reviewed in this edition..I'm very interested in that one for oe of her cruises next year.
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eroller
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posted 12-18-2003 09:02 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by SoBe Tim:

His job is not as dreamy as it sounds, he's constantly traveling for close to 10 months of the year with very little time at home. While he certainly does his fare share of "luxury" lines, the majority of his time is still spend on mass-market ships due to their sheer numbers; don;t forget the enormous amont of time spent in airports and on planes as well!


Poor baby. Many of us have jobs where we are gone from home at least half the year. I'm not complaining as I love to travel and get paid for it. Christmas in Switzerland and New Years in Paris, it's not so bad. Thankfully my time at the airports and onboard the airplane are on company time, I could not imagine it otherwise.

As for poor Dougie having to endure all those mass-market lines, well my heart bleeds for him. Welcome to the real world and what the vast majority of today's cruisers actually pay good money for!

I know most mass-market lines don't have "fish knives" or "interesting ceilings", but I guess one has to suffer every now and again.

If Ward really wanted to spend his time doing something useful, he would correct the VAST amount of errors in his book. They are so numerous that his book lacks creditability and is almost humorous. I for one will no longer spend a dime supporting his travel habit when the result is something less than acceptable.

Ernie - who has also met Ward on a cruise or two and worked those "15 hour days" both in the air and onboard ship.

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Rex
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posted 12-18-2003 10:11 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I love ships, so I love reading this book. I do have a problem w/Ward's gleeful, bitchy sarcasm in some of his reviews. In either this year's or last year's book, he makes the nasty reference to HAL's use of canned fruits -- "good for older passengers with no teeth" -- which I thought was totally unnecessary and mean-spirited.

And he sets the five star MS Europa as the benchmark for ALL cruise ships -- you can't do that because different ships appeal to different target groups. Of course a Carnival ship is going to be different from a Silversea ship. So how can one be necessarily better than the other? Carnival, RCI and Princess do a fine job for the MASS market, and should be judged as such, not because their selection of cheeses and breads isn't as extensive as a Seabourn or Hapag-Lloyd or Radisson vessel.

I think Fielding's Guide to Cruising does a more balanced and accurate scoring of ships.

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cruiseny
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posted 12-18-2003 12:31 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, my latest edition is 2002, so I guess it's probably time for a new one. At the very least, picking out the most humorous errors is a fine recreational activity . My vote still goes to a paragraph from VOYAGER OF THE SEAS' review about Azipods accidentally inserted into that of the 50-year-old AEGEAN SPIRIT!

I will also probably order the River Cruising version, at the very least I have never seen a good guidebook on such.

His job doesn't sound too terrible, spending 10 months a year on cruises finding things to complain about? Doesn't sound too terrible to me.

And as for his remarks about things like canned fruits, I have to agree with Rex... That was a cheap shot at HAL's passengers. I too liked the Fielding's Guide but alas it's been extinct for five years already... I'm still waiting for the 1999 edition!


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cruisenj
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posted 12-18-2003 01:28 PM      Profile for cruisenj   Email cruisenj   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruiseny:
...doesn't sound too terrible, spending 10 months a year...finding things to complain about? Doesn't sound too terrible to me.

I agree.

It's fun to sit around and complain about things.


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cruiseny
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posted 12-18-2003 03:13 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by cruisenj:
It's fun to sit around and complain about things.

Now let's be fair I didn't say that did I? I'm talking about going on cruises for 10 months a year and trying to find as many things wrong as possible. Obviously it's the cruise aspect that appeals, not the looking for things that are wrong, but being a critic part of his job is to, well, criticise! It wouldn't be useful if he gave everything a five-stars-plus rating would it?

Even the flying aspect surely isn't that bad - I've dug up an old Porthole article from 1995 in which Ward relates, "I will not fly in coach class for anything over three hours. And I will only fly in first class for any flight over eight hours. It's not that I'm a snob, it's simply that with the amount of travelling I do on behalf of the cruise industry, I value the extra room, comfort, and slightly improved service." (Slightly???) Considering he's getting paid for that too, it doesn't sound to terrible. And with all those frequent-flier miles, he's bound to have a piece of plastic in some shiny metallic hue to flash left and right, getting him all sorts of perks the hoi polloi only dream of...

Now the real question - what does a professional traveller do on his vacations? Stay at home I guess? I mean, for most of us the focal point of the year is what this guy does for most of it... Familiarity breeds contempt, but still, it sounds like one of the nicer professions out there...


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posted 12-18-2003 05:05 PM      Profile for mec1   Author's Homepage   Email mec1   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Douglas Ward is a terrible writer. He is bigoted about smoking, the book is full of factual errors and when, after ten months, he bothers to acknowledge a letter you get a standard print-out informing you that he is too busy at sea to answer personally.

Berlitz is a great guide - but only because there isn't anything else as comprehensive. In terms of ill-written and erroneous copy it leaves a LOT to be desired.


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