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desirod7
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posted 09-03-2003 09:27 AM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
September 3, 2003
Viral Stowaway in Brig, Cruise Ship Staggers Home
By PATRICK HEALY


t began as a jaunt across the North Atlantic, but by the third day of the cruise, when the virus had taken hold aboard the Regal Princess, it was more of a lurch.

Passengers threw up in the pastel hallways. They threw up beside the buffet. They punched elevator buttons with their shirt sleeves, gambled with disinfected poker chips and watched cleanup crews scurry about in white suits, masks and gloves.

When one passenger reached for a croissant one morning, his wife said, a crew member slapped his hand with a pair of tongs. He was told that the passengers could not touch the food.

"It was like being in a prison," said another passenger, Barbara Evans, as she left the ship yesterday at Pier 92 near West 52nd Street in Manhattan. "They were treating us like pariahs on that ship."

The Regal Princess's two sick weeks at sea came to an end yesterday at the pier. The ship slipped silently up the Hudson River at 6:30 a.m., treading through the early morning mist like an ailing apparition. Its bow was dark and its sides were lit. A few figures could be seen on the deck.

The 16-day voyage was abbreviated by one day after an outbreak of what has been identified as the Norwalk virus sickened at least 302 of the ship's 1,538 passengers and 45 of its 679 crew members, said Julie Benson, a spokeswoman for Princess Cruises, which owns the Regal and 10 other cruise ships. The virus, which causes a gastrointestinal ailment that is usually not life-threatening, apparently boarded the ship with a few passengers when the cruise began in Copenhagen, Ms. Benson said.

Yesterday, officials from Princess Cruises played down the scope of the illness and its effect on the cruise, saying most people enjoyed the trip. The cruise line gave all passengers a $300 credit, and it will refund the price of the lost day of travel, Ms. Benson said.

"It was a positive cruise experience for the vast majority of people," said Steve Nielsen, the company's vice president of Caribbean and Atlantic operations. "I think they got the cruise experience they wanted."

But perhaps not the experience they expected. When passengers poured onto the street yesterday morning, some praised the crew, boasted that they had dodged the virus and said they had had a wonderful time. Others were not so amiable.

"It was a trip from hell," said Al Levine, as his wheelchair was pushed toward a fleet of buses that shuttled passengers to airports and hotels. "I'll never do that again."

The passengers boarded on Aug. 18, eager to see, along with the 10 ports in the itinerary, the jagged coasts of Iceland and Greenland and the verdant vistas of Ireland. Roger Houpt, a retired carpenter from Akron, Ohio, said he had waited 20 years to visit Greenland, one of two destinations the ship skipped.

The first days were occupied by bingo, line dancing and gambling in the ship's casino, but soon, passengers like Aileen Mulligan said they began to notice telltale signs of illness. Cleanup crews appeared, bottles of sanitizer came out at mealtimes, and Joanne Serafini said her husband had his hand whacked as he reached for that croissant.

When Mrs. Mulligan asked a crew member whether there had been an outbreak of sickness, she said she was told, " `Absolutely not.' "

Soon, though, her stomach told her otherwise. She was stricken with severe cramps and nausea, and spent three days confined to her cabin. Yesterday, as she waited for a limousine to take her back to Long Island, Mrs. Mulligan said she believed the crew had been less than honest.

"They should have told us the truth," she said. "It was a nightmare. This is my fifth and last cruise with Princess. I'm going back to Holland America."

On board, the buffet, sauna and steam room were shut down and the ceramics class was canceled, said Gary Reing, 51. To prevent the spread of the virus, bottles of ketchup disappeared from the tables, as did salt and pepper shakers, and passengers became familiar with the redolent cocktail of vomit and disinfectant in the hallways.

Passengers and crew members did all they could to dodge the virus. Lee Strickland, a passenger from San Francisco, used her shirt sleeve to push elevator buttons, and other passengers used their knuckles.

Before meals, passengers squirted a bead of green sanitizer onto their hands, said one, Joseph Dauber, 52, of Neptune, N.J. The captain came on the intercom frequently to urge the passengers to wash and disinfect, Mr. Dauber said. The crew disinfected walls and railings, the bottoms of seats and even poker chips, passengers said.

How intense was the cleaning?

"Like Lady Macbeth," said Mariellen Brown, 77, of San Mateo, Calif.

Ms. Benson, the cruise line spokeswoman, and several passengers praised the medical staff members, who diagnosed the virus within four hours. At the height of the outbreak, the third day at sea, 60 people sought treatment from the two doctors on board, Ms. Benson said. By yesterday, only two people were still sick, and they and their spouses recuperated on the ship as the rest of the passengers disembarked.

Passengers who came down with the virus were urged to stay in their rooms for 72 hours, the period when Norwalk-type agents are most contagious, Ms. Benson said.

"People didn't obey the restrictions," said one passenger, Betty Noonan, 74, of Barrington, R.I. "One man was sitting in a table next to me and said, `I can't keep anything down, but I can't stay in my room any longer.' "

Several passengers disputed the company's estimate that just 347 people fell ill. John Abbate, a passenger from Long Island, said many more than those who had seen a doctor had taken ill.

"That doesn't take into account those treated in their rooms, like me, or those who weathered through it, who had a mild case without seeing the doctor," Mr. Abbate said.

By 1 p.m., the passengers had all been taken to hotels and airports, and crews were disinfecting the ship, which scored 98 out of a possible 100 in a September 2002 sanitization inspection, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. They must work quickly: tomorrow, the Regal Princess departs for Montreal, with a new set of passengers.


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eroller
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posted 09-03-2003 10:08 AM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What I found really interesting were some of the headlines. For instance, this one from Yahoo:

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Norwalk Virus Hits Carnival Cruise Ship
Tue Sep 2,12:59 PM ET Add U.S. National - Reuters to My Yahoo!

NEW YORK (Reuters) - A cruise ship cut short its North Atlantic voyage on Tuesday after 340 passengers and crew were sickened by the
Norwalk virus, the disease that battered the cruise industry last year.
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I guess Princess Cruises doesn't even have an identity anymore now that Carnival owns them.

I recently read an interesting article about the Carnival takeover that included an interview with Peter Ratcliffe. I used to have respect for the man, but now I see him as little more than a corporate puppet. All along he touted the synergies of a
RCI/Princess merger, and now he states he felt Carnival was the right fit all along. What a bunch of BS. When asked about competition in Alaska with now sister brand HAL, he actually stated he did not feel HAL was competition to Princess as they complimented each other. He felt the "true" competition was RCI and Celebrity! What a joke! Only last year and years before Princess had
advertisements specifically targeting HAL and how much better Princess was in Alaska. Never any mention of RCI and Celebrity, which makes sense as they have a relatively small presence in
Alaska. Does Ratcliffe have that short of a memory? Possibly not, but he certainly hopes the public does.

He has traded down a few notches in my book. I realize he now works for Carnival, but he could at least be relatively honest about who the true competition has been for Princess for many years.

Ernie


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Fairsky
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posted 09-03-2003 04:24 PM      Profile for Fairsky   Email Fairsky   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Quote:
"They should have told us the truth," she said. "It was a nightmare. This is my fifth and last cruise with Princess. I'm going back to Holland America."


I can hear Arison laughing all the way to the bank.


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eroller
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posted 09-03-2003 05:42 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I like this quote best... but try to imagine it with a strong NY accent.

"It was like being in a prison," said another passenger, Barbara Evans, as she left the ship yesterday at Pier 92 near West 52nd Street in Manhattan. "They were treating us like pariahs on that ship."


Talk about a bunch of pathetic old wind bags! And I often wonder why my friends think I'm crazy to take all those cruises filled with complaining "gray hairs". This pretty much answers my question.... assuming the person quoted is old and has gray hair! I wonder if she has even been in prison? I can assure her that REGAL PRINCESS at her worst conditions is nothing like prison. Of course nothing in the world can compare to the horrible conditions she encountered on a luxury cruise ship!

It's also funny to hear when people say they will return to some other cruise line... such as HAL. It's not like HAL hasn't had it's share of Norwalk problems.... but people (especially cruisers) always think the grass is greener..... and as the previous poster mentioned, it's all rather humorous since Carnival now owns the lions share of the cruise business, and chances are whatever cruise line you switch back to, the money is ending up in the same place.

Ernie - who hasn't been in prison but watched OZ!


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 09-03-2003 06:04 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The cruise line cannot win.

If they take sensible precautions to avoid the spreading of germs onboard, they are accused of taking away the passengers freedom to touch food and have Ketchup (wow, what a loss!).

If they do not take any action, they can be accused of failing to attempt to contain the problem.

If they were too honest, 99 per cent of the passengers would probably develop the symptoms psychosomatically. They would certainly spend the entire cruise worrying about it!

Such a virus only ever infects the weakest passengers, a small percentage of the total, so most really did not have anything to worry about.


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desirod7
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posted 09-03-2003 06:28 PM      Profile for desirod7     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My physician recommends vibramycin as a preventive antibiotic when visiting developing countries so not to get Montezuma's revenge.

I am curious if it is compatible with bomine?


for info

http://www.drugdigest.org/DD/DVH/Uses/0,3915,226|Vibramycin,00.html


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bigpapaduck
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posted 09-03-2003 07:17 PM      Profile for bigpapaduck     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The cruise companies should put something in place like they did in the Singapore airport to scan your body's temperature and not let sick people onboard... Everything I've heard about Norwalk is that it is a virus that is contracted on land then brought aboard the ship by some sick person and spread all over the place... argh!!
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