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Commodore
First Class Passenger
Member # 1575

posted 08-13-2003 10:16 AM

Does anyone know why Carnival stopped using Kockums to build their ships? Was it because they didn't have the capacity to build the Fantasy class ships, they were unsatisfied, they were only used to finish the last 2 Holiday class ships after the Danish yard went bankrupt, or something else. I'm just curious, because the Celebration is my favourite Carnival ship, or close to it.

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 08-13-2003 01:31 PM

Hello,
as a former Carnival purser, I heard some behind the scene gossips.
Facts : Kockums closed shortly after delivering my favorites Jubilee and Celebration. Did you like them for the Marketing "Superliner", or the models in Admirals'Lounge?
Gossip: Carnival is supposed to have bankrupted them as the contract was based on unfavourable change for the Swedish. Same thing happened to Wartsila, now Kvaerner.
They still build ships, perhaps thanks to restructuring, RCCL Eagle class and surprise surprise..Carnival Legend Class(though the yards are in different locations).
ssLewis, suspecting spy games

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 08-13-2003 02:54 PM

What is Kockums?

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 08-13-2003 03:34 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Barryboat:
What is Kockums?

I believe they are small fast-food chicken snacks.

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Commodore
First Class Passenger
Member # 1575

posted 08-13-2003 03:48 PM

Barryboat, Kockums was the shipyard that built the Jubilee and Celebration. They're in Sweden. Anyway, personally I like the models in the Admiral's Lounge, but when I was on her, my favourite were the trollies. I was one and a half. She was the only ship my father ever went on twice, oddly enough he doesn't care for her too much.

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Anders
First Class Passenger
Member # 2227

posted 08-14-2003 04:26 AM

Hello

Kockums are still in business they are building submarines and they have done that since 1914. The submarines they build today are fitted with the Stirling engine, which make it possible for the submarine to stay submerged for weeks. The also build surface vessels with advanced stealth technology. and believe me they won’t win any beauty contests.

Here is a link to The Kockum's site
http://www.kockums.se/

Anders

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sslewis
First Class Passenger
Member # 3649

posted 08-14-2003 06:31 AM

Thanks for the link for Swedish shipbuilder Kockums.
So glad they survived after such a Carnivalesque adventure!
I trained on "Superliners" Jubilee and Celebration before joining Classic Mardi Gras.
The Swedish built ships were outstanding and rode the seas well compared to RCCL Sovereign class, or in fact any Rccl ship then!
The crew was happy, and I was allowed in the engine room at start time..very impressive and clean and silent for a diesel!
Why did Carnival go to Wartsila/Kaverner for the lucrative Fantasy contract?
Kockums had the sisters built side by side, quite a feat, but perhaps the dock was not long enough for a 70,000 tons ship?
Pity, Kockums-built vessels in my opinion looked slighty better.
BTW, I quite like this Stealth destroyer/frigate!
ssLewis

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rd77
First Class Passenger
Member # 2117

posted 08-15-2003 07:22 AM

I didn't know Kockums were building the Visby class stealth corvettes. Apparently the US navy is very interested in their design as part of its study into the Littoral Combat Ship. Maybe they can just Xerox the plans as they did with the designs for the Dutch LCF (Air Defence and Command frigate). My fellow Dutch people are real fools sometimes

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