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Topic: MONA LISA went aground

Karsten
First Class Passenger
Member # 1509

posted 07-28-2003 02:40 PM

MONA LISA ex VICTORIA went aground Friday, 25.07.03, when leaving Magdalenenfjord, Norway.

The ship went to Ny Alesund for inspections and later to Longyearbyen. From there passengers were flown home.

The ship has hull and propeller damages. the MONA LISA will come to a German yard and is expected to re-enter service 14.08.03.

[ 07-28-2003: Message edited by: Karsten ]

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Amerikanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 1835

posted 07-28-2003 04:28 PM

Hmmm...no good News.

I am surprised, not to read anything in German Newspapers.

The Damadge is not very big, i think, they will only need some Days for repair...

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ResidentX
First Class Passenger
Member # 3792

posted 07-28-2003 04:59 PM

That ship has been thro alot, we ran into a habour when I was last onboard, it had lots of dents etc. Anyone been on it since she went to be the MONA LISA ? Got any information ... would like to know

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Karsten
First Class Passenger
Member # 1509

posted 07-28-2003 05:09 PM

There is a press release of Holiday Kreuzfahrten in German language:

Word-Doc of the press release

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Amerikanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 1835

posted 07-28-2003 05:30 PM

...hmmm, the Ship was leaded by the experienced Greek Captain Kostas Dossios...

...i was twice in Magdalena Bay, in 1983 with the Victoria (Captain Ioannis Miksis) and in 1985 with the Ivan Franco (Captain Victor Davidov),
it should be possible, to handle the Ship without Damadge.

Will the Passengers get an Refund and an special Price for an coming Cruise?

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Captain Rhone
First Class Passenger
Member # 3498

posted 07-28-2003 07:21 PM

For anyone interested here is a picture of the ship from FaktaOmFartyg not during this incedent but before.I noticed they changd the funnel from white with the picture to red-maroon with the picture.

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Noordam
First Class Passenger
Member # 3811

posted 07-28-2003 09:34 PM

I don't care what anyone has to say - that ship is gorgeous. I know that she was ruined in her conversion - but to me - she is so classic and regal. WOW!

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Aussie1
First Class Passenger
Member # 25

posted 07-28-2003 10:42 PM

Noordam you are quite right, Mona Lisa is a truly lovely ship and has been in all her guises. It is just that she looked her best in her original form as Kungsholm. Long may she sail. (Well until 2010 when new SOLAS rules mean she has to go.)

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Captain Rhone
First Class Passenger
Member # 3498

posted 07-28-2003 10:53 PM

I wonder since she is under charter for 7 years I believe it was I wonder if P&O would take her back for a couple years and keep her a hotel ship and try to get money with her in P&O colors and under the name Kungsholm or Victoria and sitting in the UK?Until she is too old?It might help them if thy really hought about it.I still think ita got style even though she getting old.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 07-29-2003 12:24 AM

I hate the maroon colored funnel

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anthemius
First Class Passenger
Member # 1859

posted 07-29-2003 07:26 AM

Does anybody know where she will go for repair (possibly Lloyd yard in Bremerhaven) and when she will arrive there?

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 07-29-2003 10:50 AM

Looks like Llyod Werft will be very busy with MONA LISA, PRIDE OF AMERICA, and maybe NORWAY.

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Patrick
First Class Passenger
Member # 364

posted 07-29-2003 01:32 PM

The MONA LISA will go the Blohm & Voss in Hamburg as all docks of the Lloyd Werft are occupied.
I just wonder if the captain was really that experienced.... Normally there is enough space for such a ship-size to come through without hitting anything... But things like this can happen.
Leonardo Shipping Company (Italian and Grek investors) own the ship and the management is done by Paris Katsoufis' Kyma Shipmanagement from Greece. Paris is well known in the industry due to his former career at Cunrad Line.
Kyma Shipmanagement also runs THE TOPAZ, TEXAS TREASURE I and TEXAS TREASURE II.
The deal of aquiring the PACIFIC PRINCESS fell through when Seahawk Marine Project aquired the ship first for Pullmantur Cruises.
The MONA LISA is going so-so. I still believe that 6 sale-offices in Germany are not enough to fill the entire ship unless Herbert Fervers (manager Holiday Kreuzfahrten) gets some groups or so.
The ship itself looks great and is a charming classic liner but her good times with P&O are definitely gone !
Anyway, long may she sail !

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Amerikanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 1835

posted 07-29-2003 01:43 PM

Patrick, they always send Offers per Letter, i think i do not miss one Cruise, since the Ship is running for Holiday.

The newest Offer was a Week in February 2004, starting at Genova, Italy for Euro 599 in the cheapest Cabin.

But i think for the Quality they offer, they are too expensive.

I did this April an 15-Night Transatlantic Cruise with the Constellation for less than 1000 Euro, including Flight from Amsterdam to Puerto Rico and Ferry from Harwich to Hoek van Holland...

...and now i am waiting for the next special Offer.

Biggest Interest is in Asia, South America, Hawaii
and US Pacific Coast down to Mexico.

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Amerikanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 1835

posted 07-29-2003 01:45 PM

by the Way:

OUZO for the Captain...

...that remembers me to our Friend Yanis,
former Captain of the AZUR, now Minerva.

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anthonyvandyk
First Class Passenger
Member # 3899

posted 07-29-2003 03:09 PM

Was it the captain or the pilot who is to blame? Ships seem to hit rocks more frequently than in by-gone days; this year the Marco Polo,Summit and now Mona Lisa. Are captains and pilots losing their skills?

Best wishes. Tony

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Brian_O
First Class Passenger
Member # 3910

posted 07-29-2003 03:39 PM

quote:
Originally posted by anthonyvandyk:
Was it the captain or the pilot who is to blame?

Regardless of who screwed up, the ultimate responsibility lies with the captain. There are only a couple of locations in the world where the captain actually cedes legal responsibility to the pilot (one is the Panama Canal). Elsewhere the pilot's role is solely that of an advisor, even in waters where the pilot is mandatory.

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ResidentX
First Class Passenger
Member # 3792

posted 07-29-2003 03:52 PM

I think the ship looks horrible with the new graphics on the side and that picture on the funnel, what were they thinking. Is it me or have I seen this ship for sale on a website :s

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 07-29-2003 03:59 PM

The term used was "To Master's orders and Pilot's advise" which says it all.

I don't expect the Mona Lisa had a pilot on board, and the Marco Polo certainly didn't. The Summit would have and we'll just have to wait for the NTSB report to find out what happened there.

One of the results of the increase in cruising is that ships are going to more and more out of the way places some of which lack good charting and sailing directions. This obviously calls for more care but also places the vessel at greater risk. And that is why I think that HAL is completely STUPID to hazard those thin skin tubs of theirs down in the Antarctic. Let's all hope that nothing ever happens as they could have a real disaster on their hands.

BTW...was that Magdalenenfjord where that German Captain had another try at sinking the Hanseatic. If not it was somewhere close.

....peter

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anthemius
First Class Passenger
Member # 1859

posted 07-30-2003 07:27 AM

>>The MONA LISA will go the Blohm & Voss in Hamburg as all docks of the Lloyd Werft are occupied.<<

Patrick, do you know when she will arrive there?

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Patrick
First Class Passenger
Member # 364

posted 07-30-2003 08:59 AM

Sorry, I don't know any exact date yet when she'll arrive in the yard. It must be in the following days.

Amerikanis, I have sold the same cruise on the CONSTELLATION for a similar cheap rate. It was an incredible price but all extra costs onboard seemed to be far more expensive than on the ships sailing on exclusively on the German market.

Our friend Ioannis..... I know what you mean...

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Amerikanis
First Class Passenger
Member # 1835

posted 07-30-2003 11:45 AM

Ioannis will never have any Problem with the Navigation of an SHIP.

...maybe he can have an little Problem with his own Navigation...

...but for my Wife and me he was the most symphatic Captain we had in 22 Years.

I myself had no expensive Costs on Board the Constellation:

I do not gamble
i do not visit Boards Shops and Boutiques
i do not book any Excursion
i do not drink.

Soft Drinks are for free, the Food was great, the Ship and Service are very good, and my Dutch fellow Travellers on the Table are nice.

We had booked at Cruisetravel.nl and sit together with them...

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