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Topic: Coral Princess Question

nycruiser
First Class Passenger
Member # 960

posted 01-10-2003 09:58 PM

Maybe we covered this already in an earlier post but I wanted to know what are the two objects on the funnel? Are they engines of some sort? They look ugly and out of place. If it is a design statement I hope it doesnt catch on!

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 01-10-2003 10:21 PM

They are just there for ugluness. They are pods which meant for nothing, but ugly design

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Ðraikar
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posted 01-11-2003 12:03 AM

I think they push air into the engines

Ðraikar

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CruiseMaster
First Class Passenger
Member # 1753

posted 01-11-2003 05:19 AM

I have a question also. Since most panamax cruise ships are built to transit the canal, and they are built for speed to go to exotic itineraries, why is it that Coral & Island Princess have a top speed of ONLY 21.5knots (according to Princess webpage) They are not saying thats cruising speed, they are saying MAX SPEED 21.5 KNOTS.
To me, that makes no sense, because a ship this size, you would think require more speed to make its ports of call on time. When I was on Carnival Pride, we was traveling at 24 knots, and Radiance at one time was doing 27.2 knots, Millennium Class Ships are supposed to have a cruising speed of 24 knots, so if Celebrity, Royal Caribbean, & Carnival designed all there panamax ships to travel at high speeds, why did Princess make there panamax ship so slow? I have not figured that one out unless Princess has made a error on there webpage and Coral & Island Princess can travel faster than 21.5 knots.
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Captain Rhone
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posted 01-11-2003 10:52 AM

Last time I checked on Princess' site a few days ago it said that Coral's Max speed was 24 knots and a person on another board(Cruise Critic)is on the ship right now and said she was doing at average on like the first day or 2 and was 20.6 knots and 2 days later she was doing 18.1 knots at average.Usually Princess keeps there ships cruising speed about 2 miles below Max speed.Like Grand cruising speed:22 kts,Max speed:24 kts is what I read.So I think they are having problems like the person said the ship rocks and average speed got lowered I know that might be normal but I think if they switched the top speed on their website theres got to be a problem.The ship arrived late from the weather and they had the ship doing full speed as a test to see what she could do at some point.Anyway that's what I heard.But there must be a problem.

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gohaze
First Class Passenger
Member # 586

posted 01-11-2003 11:10 AM

The speed that ships do between ports depends on the distance and the time available allowing for factors such as weather, currents etc. There is no sense in steaming at full speed, using lots of expensive fuel, just to arrive hours early and have to anchor. Having a few knots in hand allows for making up for delays for whatever reason.
...peter

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Captain Rhone
First Class Passenger
Member # 3498

posted 01-11-2003 11:12 AM

On www.princess.com it says 24 knots for Coral and Island Princess.I didnt realize what you had said that time but Coral and Island can do 24 knots.24 knots max speed is correct.Where did you see 21.5 though?

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CruiseMaster
First Class Passenger
Member # 1753

posted 01-12-2003 04:25 AM

Below I went to www.princess.com and I copied and pasted all the information on there website. They have on there that 21.5 is the MAX SPEED which I think it has to be a mis-print. I dont see how a ship can do round trip Panama Canal Itinerary and only have a maximum speed of 21.5 knots. I dont see that would be possible because most cruises I have been on, there have been some delays, where some people might arrive late, due to a late flight, or some other problems, and when problems occur, they must travel at a higher rate of speed to make up for lost time. So I think this has to be a mis-print.
If you go to Princess.com and click on plan your voyage, and then click a month, and Coral Princess, and Panama Canal,and click okay, it will take you to a page that shows the itinerary, and at the top, you will see where it has select pages that tell shore excursions, and about the ship and and weather and so on. If you click on ship, it will tell you all the information I copied and pasted below.
Jeff

Coral Princess

This exciting new vessel debuts in December 2002. Coral Princess has a great array passenger facilities and nearly 90% of the ship's cabins are outside. Engineered to go through the Panama Canal, the ship debuts with a 10-day Canal itinerary.

Passenger Capacity: 1,950
Tonnage: 88,000
Builder: Chantiers de l'Atlantique, St. Nazaire, France
Inaugural Cruise: December 2002
Homeport: Ft. Lauderdale
Length: 964 feet
Height: 203 feet
Beam: 106 feet
Draft: 26 feet
Decks: 16
Space Ratio: 44.6
Passenger Cabins: 987 total (879 outside/108 inside) 16 Suites with private balconies (470* Sq ft.)
184 Mini-suites with private balconies (285 -- 302* Sq ft.)
8 Mini-suites (no balcony) (300 Sq ft.)
527 Outside cabins with private balconies ( 217 -- 232* Sq ft.)
144 Standard outside cabins (162 Sq ft.)
108 Inside cabins ( 156 Sq ft.)
*includes balcony
Wheelchair Accessible Cabins: 20 including 16 outside/4 inside (217 - 374 Sq ft.)
Cabins with Private Balconies: 727 (80% of all outside cabins)
Upper Berths: 616
Pools: 3
Whirlpools Spas: 5
Dining and Snacks: Two main dining rooms -- Provence and Bordeaux
Sabatini's Trattoria
The Bayou Cafe -- New Orleans restaurant
The Grill --poolside hamburger grill
Princess Pizza -- poolside pizza bar
Ice Cream Bar -- poolside ice cream creations
Showrooms/Lounges: Princess Theater -- main showroom, Universe Lounge -- multi-use room with three revolving stages
Explorers Lounge -- lounge and disco
Churchill Lounge -- spirits and cigar bar
Wheelhouse Bar -- classic nautical-themed lounge
Crooners -- Old-time martini bar
Passenger Services: Casino (London theme), 3 duty-free shops, fitness center and spa, sports deck, children's and teen's centers, library, AOL Internet Cafe, wedding chapel, art gallery, golf putting green and simulator.
Propulsion: Gas turbine/Diesel/Electric
Maximum Speed: 21.5 knots
Lifeboats: 12 lifeboats, 4 tenders, 2 rescue boats
Registry: Bermuda
Deployment: Panama Canal

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sympatico
First Class Passenger
Member # 797

posted 01-12-2003 08:32 AM

The person to actually answer your question is fellow poster "Ryndam" who is an officer on the Coral Princess. I guess he hasn't been able to access the internet since he boarded, but I am sure you will hear from him at some time.

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Ryndam
First Class Passenger
Member # 1315

posted 01-13-2003 12:54 PM

The cruising speed of the Coral Princess is 21.5 knots. The maximum speed which was reached during sea trials was 23.5 knots. The gross tonnage of the ship is not 88000 but 91627. The "objects" on the funnel doesn't have any function at all.

Ryndam

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Zero Signal
First Class Passenger
Member # 2151

posted 01-13-2003 01:55 PM

So if those..."things" on the funnel serve no purpose, then why put them there in the first place?

They really drag down the outward appearance of an otherwise very nice looking ship.

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joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 01-13-2003 02:49 PM

Aw, come on now...

One man's "...drag down the outward appearance" is another man's "...give her a futuristic look". I am sure somebody likes them.

Somebody?

Joe at TravelPage.com

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 01-13-2003 04:01 PM

Are there photos posted anywhere yet from her inaugural cruise- I'd especially like to see her interiors.

Maybe Princess put those "things" on the funnel to sell advertising space- like for cigarettes or alcoholic beverages (imagine the bottle on its side).

Either way, Princess needs to shoot whoever is responsible for their exterior design. (Maybe they can launch him out of one of those canons).

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 01-14-2003 11:23 AM

Here is a picture of the funnel close up...

Also, there is a web page on Coral Princess' inagural...

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Fairsky
First Class Passenger
Member # 781

posted 01-14-2003 05:30 PM

Having looked at the photos here is what I love about the Coral's exterior:

1. Her bow is one of the best of any modern cruise ship- right up there with Aurora in my opinion. Sharp, clean, strong... perfect.
2. I really like the foward mast design. It's strong and tall- it functions as exhaust vents for the galley- and it is distinctive.
3. I like the tiered aft decks- not as sweeping and beautiful as on Aurora or classic liners- but far better than recent shoebox ship designs.

Top things I hate:

1. The funnel- enough said.
2. Lack of glass and observation areas. Recent designs by Royal Caribbean, Celebrity, and even HAL all incorporate more glass to view the sea from public spaces. Coral (like Spirit-class ships) seem too closed off from the sea.
3. Like the Grand-class Coral has tiered balcony decks (you can look down on the balcony below yours). I'm not a fan of this lack of privacy given they are called "private balconies".

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empressport
First Class Passenger
Member # 2511

posted 01-14-2003 07:33 PM

quote:
Originally posted by Keitaro:
They are just there for ugluness. They are pods which meant for nothing, but ugly design

Exactly. If they wanted to stand out, how about designing an aesthetically pleasing funnel. Those seem to be in short supply these days, as witnessed by this abomination or Zuiderdam's wastebasket design.

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Waynaro
First Class Passenger
Member # 3484

posted 01-15-2003 09:38 PM

Originally posted by Ryndam

quote:
The gross tonnage of the ship is not 88000 but 91627. The "objects" on the funnel doesn't have any function at all.

Why did Princess market the ship as 88,000 tons? 88,000 compared to 91,627 is a BIG difference. This is going to be a dumb question, but if you work for Princess, why are you "marketing" HAL's Ryndam?

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joe at travelpage
Administrator
Member # 622

posted 01-15-2003 10:04 PM

quote:

This is going to be a dumb question, but if you work for Princess, why are you "marketing" HAL's Ryndam?

I am sure that Ryndam will answer when he gets a chance, but as I understand it, Ryndam was the first cruise ship he served on and that is why he chose that as his id.

Many of the crew on cruise ships are working on a fixed-length contract and often move between cruise lines. The officer or crew member that spends his/her career with the same cruise line is rare. Most you will find have worked with multiple cruise lines.

Joe at TravelPage.com

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Barryboat
First Class Passenger
Member # 33

posted 01-15-2003 11:50 PM

That's odd that those "jet engine-looking things" are not functional....I thought that some of these newer ships were using some sort of gas-turbine engine and placing them in the funnel???

My question is: WHY ARE THESE THINGS BUILT INTO THE FUNNEL WHEN THEY HAVE NO PURPOSE?

I would think that perhaps they would somehow create a jet stream of compressed air to re-direct the exhaust higher in the air...so as to avoid engine fumes on deck.

Ryndam...I'd love to hear more from you about this.

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jeffrossatsea
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Member # 2962

posted 01-16-2003 01:39 AM

i guess i must be one of the VERY rare few that actually like the "jet engine" look to the coral's and island's funnel. my dad actually said that when the cadillac was brought out in the 60's with the flared sharp fins at the back of the eldorado most people could'nt understand the design consept and they made the car look like a space ship. cadillac was one of many auto makers to change the appearance of the new generation of cars and the ball started rolling. now i'm not saying that princess has a winner....but if the tubes were taken off.....now that WOULD be an ugly looking funnel or bird cage....jeff

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Onno
First Class Passenger
Member # 3071

posted 01-16-2003 05:02 AM

I guess I must join you Jeff, I like the “rockets” as well and the potential it has for ship designs. Okay the bird cadge funnel is plain ugly (but that is a princes “trademark”). The proportions are way off. The entire funnel is almost the same whith as the entire ship. This good to see in the pictures, from a front angle the funnel looks okay but that is deu to the influence of perspective. If you see a picture from the back side then you are confronted with a massive funnel that makes the ship look stubby.

At first I did not liked the bow because I was expecting something more rounded, but now I think it suits the ship rather well. The overall usage of “bleu” tinted glass looks nice and very princess like as well.

Take the car industry most of the design elements are don for fun and not out of function. The same goes for ships. Do we all remember the days when fake funnels where introduced on the liners, it was don because more funnels was associated with more speed. The Coral rockets (functional or not) have the same result it contributes to the cruise experience and to the association of the traveler. And there you have the function of the rockets.
I think the Rockets would be more appreciated or accepted if they where installed on a better designed and proportioned funnel.

I don’t exactly know a technical function either of the rockets but I belief that the gas turbines are located inside the bird cadge, and this is probably the reason for the massive look it generates.

Overall I’m pleased with the rockets because it again allows the ship designers to make interesting designs and not to think in the only functional thus economic profitable fashion that started off in the eighties.

Best, Onno

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SydneyBoy
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Member # 2543

posted 01-19-2003 08:31 AM

I LOVE THE ROCKETS

Coral Princess has turned out to be one of the most beautiful ships in years! Its impressive to see a ship of such large scale not come out looking like a shoebox or a floating brick!

The ship is very elegant from MOST angles and i think the large funnel suits the overall design, it looks as one with the ship unlike those THINGS Carnival sticks on their already ugly floating bricks!!!

The rocket things are different and give the ship a modern and futureistic look, i think they will grow on most people, anyway those aside i think most people should like the overall design of the ship

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Dmitriy
First Class Passenger
Member # 128

posted 01-19-2003 01:24 PM

While in Grand Cayman on my Horizon Jan 5 - Jan 12 cruise I got to see the Coral Princess.

I know, it's all a matter of taste, but as far as I am concern, she is the least attractive ship I ever seen. And being a brand-new ship, she already shows rust but the ancors.

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Dmitriy
First Class Passenger
Member # 128

posted 01-19-2003 01:38 PM

What am I doing wrong? Why can't I post pictures?

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petede
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Member # 3459

posted 01-19-2003 04:37 PM

I just saw the most unflattering picture of the Coral. Here is the link below. It should be under "the naming of the Coral Princess" and is one of only 2 shots. I have to say, from this angle she is one homely looking ship, and the top deck looks cluttered and ugly.

http://www.cruise-addicts.com/picturepost/index.php

P.S. Dmitriy, use the Image box under the reply window.

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