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PamM
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posted 11-02-2002 04:24 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From Meyer Werft's Site:-

"For the First Time with Support of the River Barrier

Papenburg, 29.10.2002 - - The new cruise liner “Norwegian Dawn” owned by Norwegian Cruise Line (NCL) will be transferred from Papenburg to Eemshaven (Netherlands) on November 3, 2002.

The “Norwegian Dawn” will leave Meyer Werft shipyard on Sunday and will for the first time be transferred with the support of the Ems barrier. The ship will again be sailing backwards without intermediate stop on the Ems in direction of the North Sea.. Directly after the Ems passage there will be a short technical sea trial in the North Sea. The “Norwegian Dawn” is due in Eemshaven on Monday, November 4, 2002 around 7 am.


The itinerary for the River Ems passage is as follows:

01.00 am ship ready to sail
02.00 am take off
02.30 am waiting position at the dock gate

around 03.00 am passing of dock gate (Papenburg)
around 03.30 am beginning of Ems passage
around 04.45 am passing of “Friesenbrücke” Weener
around 06.30 am passing of “Jann-Berghaus-Brücke”

around 08.30 am passing Terborg
around 10.30 am passing Ems barrier (Gandersum)
around 11.30 am passing Emden “Ostmole”

Itinerary subject to weather conditions and subject to change.

With an overall length of 294,13 m, a breadth of 32,20 m and a tonnage of 92,000 GT the “Norwegian Dawn” can accommodate 2,224 passengers in 1,112 cabins. 511 cabins out of 761 outside cabins are equipped with balconies. The max. engine power of the ship amounts to almost 80,000 HP. The new cruise liner will travel at about 25 knots.

Again an experienced Team of the Emden Pilot Brotherhood will be piloting the ship backwards on the Ems as they did before on the “Brilliance of the Seas” and the “Norwegian Star”.

The entire passage team practised this passage in all details at the computer controlled simulator preparing them to successfully master challenging areas like the Friesenbrücke in Weener. The tugboats Bremerhaven and Wal with 2,200 HP each will be assisting in the passage.

Average passage speed of the ship will be around 6.5 knots for the entire route."

Pam


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PamM
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posted 11-02-2002 04:29 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The weather is not so good this evening here, so am wondering how bad it has to be before it might be postponed?
Pam

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 11-02-2002 04:30 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Does it have pods?
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PamM
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posted 11-02-2002 05:31 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Malcolm @ cruisepage:
Does it have pods?

Here's a little table for you:-

I think this was as at Apr this year, so may have been updated since then.

Pam


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 11-02-2002 05:58 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Is Norwegian Dawn a 'Libra' class?
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eroller
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posted 11-02-2002 05:59 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by PamM:

Here's a little table for you:-

I think this was as at Apr this year, so may have been updated since then.

Pam



Interesting.... none for Princess Cruises who has publicly shunned them for their newbuilds. This is one change I think we will see on future Princess ships while under the control of Carnival Corp.

Ernie Roller
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vg5157
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posted 11-02-2002 06:05 PM      Profile for vg5157   Email vg5157   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PamM,how difficult for a ship of this calibre go thru the passage?,take more than 10 hours the trip !!.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 11-02-2002 06:29 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I found these images of Norwegian Star's passage up the river Ems:


Click Here

Source: www.ruderhaus.de

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PamM
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posted 11-02-2002 06:53 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
FG, there isn't much leeway and the pilots have to practice on a simulator so I suspect it must be quite tricky manouevering the monsters along a river. But 6.5knots is a fair speed if anything goes wrong.

If you go to the Meyer Werft site and click on news/press area, there is a link to a page of photos re Brilliance of the Seas transfer, to go with Malcom's above. It looks like one can 'almost' reach out and touch her at times.

Pam

Pam


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PamM
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posted 11-02-2002 06:56 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Her webcam is live! Click here. Another hour before she's due to depart though.

Not sure much will be visible at night. But I'm off to bed now anyway.

Pam

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Commodore
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posted 11-02-2002 07:31 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe Libra is for Star's SuperStar Libra, which may be the first ship in a familiar class.I'll check, and post with the answer.
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cruiseny
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posted 11-02-2002 07:33 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
She's a Libra-class vessel. Norwegian Star's original name was SuperStar Libra, Dawn was supposed to be SuperStar Scorpio.
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posted 11-02-2002 07:51 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Oh yes, now I remember.I like the name Norwegian Scorpio better than Norwegian Dawn, but I guess astronomic names are Star's domain. I can't wait to sail her.

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Ryndam
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posted 11-03-2002 02:50 AM      Profile for Ryndam   Email Ryndam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Can the Norwegian Star/Dawn sail through the Panama Canal? If so she's probably the largest cruise ship (91000 GRT) to be able to sail there. The Coral and the Radiance classes are 88000, the Spirit class is 86000 and the Vista class is 84000.

Ryndam


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cruiseny
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posted 11-03-2002 12:51 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Ryndam:
Can the Norwegian Star/Dawn sail through the Panama Canal? If so she's probably the largest cruise ship (91000 GRT) to be able to sail there. The Coral and the Radiance classes are 88000, the Spirit class is 86000 and the Vista class is 84000.

Good point... I believe she can indeed sail through the Panama Canal... Here are sizes of the ships you mention:

Norwegian Star: 91,740 GRT
Millennium: 90,228
Radiance of the Seas: 90,090
Carnival Spirit: 85,920

Coral Princess is expected/estimated to be 88,000 GRT while Zuiderdam is expected to be 82,000.

So Norwegian Star looks like the biggest so far unless we have missed a ship?


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posted 11-03-2002 01:07 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Cruiseny:

Good point... I believe she can indeed sail through the Panama Canal... Here are sizes of the ships you mention:

Norwegian Star: 91,740 GRT
Millennium: 90,228
Radiance of the Seas: 90,090
Carnival Spirit: 85,920

Coral Princess is expected/estimated to be 88,000 GRT while Zuiderdam is expected to be 82,000.

So Norwegian Star looks like the biggest so far unless we have missed a ship?



When dealing with the Panama Canal, length and width are more important than actual tonnage (which is just a measurement of interior space). Tonnage is still used to determine canal fees, but the actual dimensions are used the determine if the ship can actually "fit"!

Which of the ships listed previously (or any other cruise ship) is actually the longest and widest to fit through the canal?

Ernie Roller
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Ryndam
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posted 11-03-2002 02:12 PM      Profile for Ryndam   Email Ryndam   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
All the above mentioned ships have almost the same length and width; the interesting point is to see how much the gross tonnage of the Panamax cruise ship has increased during the years (there are already some projects for 100000+ Panamax vessels). The max width a ship can have to sail through the Panama Canal is 32.2 meters; the following ships have this width:
Amsterdam (61000 - 238 m)
Arcadia (63500 - 247 m)
Aurora (76000 - 270 m)
Radiance OTS and sisters (90000 - 293.2 m)
Carnival Spirit, sisters and step-sisters (88500 - 292.5 m)
Century (71000 - 246 m)
Costa Victoria (75000 - 251 m)
Crown Princess and sister (70000 - 247 m)
Sun Princess and sisters (77000 - 261 m)
Disney Magic and sister (84000 - 294 m)
Enchantment OTS and sister (74000 - 279 m)
Galaxy and Mercury (77000 - 264 m)
Grandeur OTS and sister (74000 - 280 m)
Infinity and sisters (90000 - 294 m)
Legend OTS (69000 - 264 m)
Norwegian Sky (77000 - 260 m)
Norwegian Star and sister (91000 - 294 m)
Norwegian Sun (77000 - 260 m)
Oriana (69000 - 260 m)
QE2 (70000 - 293.5 m)
Radisson Diamond (20000 - 131 m)
Rotterdam (59000 - 237 m)
SuperStar Leo and sister (75000 - 268 m)
Volendam and sister (63000 - 239 m)
Coral Princess and sister (88000 - 294 m)
294 metres is the maximum length a ship can have to sail through the Canal, and many vessels have already reached that limit; the only way to increase the size of a Panamax ship is to add decks, and this will be possible with the upper decks made with lighter material.

Ryndam

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Ernie - QE2 was the first ship to be designed specifically to Panamax dimensions, she is the exact legnth and width (965 x 106 ft) that can fit... Though of course in tonnage she is not the largest.
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