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Commodore
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posted 10-06-2002 06:36 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dambrosi,
You recently talked about these ships having potential buyers, and the ex Eugino Costa most likely, or something like that.Do you have more info? Is Premier trying to start up again, they're all Premier ships.Sounds interesting, anyone else have info?????

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gohaze
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posted 10-06-2002 07:05 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The BRBII ex Edinburgh Castle is probably still tied up with the bankruptcy of Cammell Laird. She was one of the reasons they went broke. From all accounts she's only good for the long haul to Alang.
...peter

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Commodore
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posted 10-06-2002 08:58 PM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, I heard from about 3 places she was to refurbished for the Bahamas from Pt. Canaveral.She really seems like a nice ship. Her interior is supposed still be good, but she probobly will need new engines.Anyone else got comments.I'm dyning to know, besides Gohaze, you didn't mention the other two vessel, which are in even better shape.
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cruiseny
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posted 10-06-2002 11:53 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
No, I heard from about 3 places she was to refurbished for the Bahamas from Pt. Canaveral.She really seems like a nice ship. Her interior is supposed still be good, but she probobly will need new engines.Anyone else got comments.I'm dyning to know, besides Gohaze, you didn't mention the other two vessel, which are in even better shape.

Personally I think investing in new engines for a ship of that age would be rather ridiculous.

I am also yet to see any pictures of the interior of this vessel.

I have seen her in person numerous times and she is a lovely ship from a design standpoint. To my taste she is even more beautiful than Oceanic. In my opinion the Eugenio C was the most attractive of the several ships put out by that yard in the early and mid 1960s, though my favorite postwar Italians would have to be Cristoforo Columbo and her sister Andrea Doria. And not only because the latter one sank .

All the Italian liners have a special place in my heart as I actually have relatives who worked on these ships, and my grandfather still remembers visiting the Rex and Conte Di Savoia as a child.

Anyhow, last I saw Big Red Boat II was at Nassau a few months after the Premier bankruptcy... She looked rather nice despite the red hull, at least from the outside... In fact, she seemed outright sparkling.

Family friends who are very, very experienced cruisers (they were frequent passengers on Sagafjord and Vistafjord back in their younger days) were on her and said that from an accommodations standpoint she was actually quite adequate... But behind the scenes they described her as being in horrible repair...

Another friend of ours works on commercial air-condition and in the process of repairing this ship watched oily bilgewater being dumped overboard. He described her as being absolutely filthy and the worst-managed vessel he had ever witnessed...

So I would say that she is likely not very good from the behind-the-scenes point of view... And I just can't see any sensible company pouring yet more funds into what has turned out to be an absolute money pit.

Big Red Boat III may be in better shape mechanically... But I've seen her many times too, though not layed-up, and she looked downright dingy back in the Premier days. Rust streaked and so on.

As for Rembrandt - she is probably the best of the three... Only five years ago she was in excellent hands... Who knows what she is like now, but I really hope something good comes along. I've actually applauded the demise of some of the less pleasurable ships out there, and just shrugged at the loss of others, but if any ship still intact today is special and should be preserved, she is it. Unlike Augustus and Windsor Castle, she has not yet been laid-up for years on end, and she is more original than the former Augustus as well.


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Commodore
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posted 10-07-2002 08:13 AM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Anyone else have more info.I don't know if she was mismanaged,but let's not blame that on the old gal now, she probobly may have been mis-managed and so on, but I have a feeling one of those ships has a chance, so I just keep looking, and waiting for may chance, and if it comes time for a chance to board her, I'll try not to miss her, or any others.There is just something about these ships, I just can't turn my head the other way.......
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DAMBROSI
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posted 10-07-2002 04:01 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
What I heard from a Bahamian
official was that BRB II was
inspected just 2 days before
we arrived in Freeport and he said a buyer wants to use
it for 3 & 4 day cruises. I'm thinking if anyone would
buy her, it would be Imperial Majesty Cruise Line, they did wonders for the Ocean Breeze and I think
they could do the same for the Eugenio C. And Gohaze, nothing is beyond repair, as
long as it can still be serviceable. Like most on this board, we want to see these lovely ladies go on as long as possible. But, believe me, I would have rather have been on the BRB II than the SENSATION.
I just wrote Carnival A HUGE
LETTER about the Maitre'd and the Head Waiter.

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Premier
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posted 10-07-2002 04:08 PM      Profile for Premier     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hello It's Commodore, I used my old screen name for respect of these former Premier vessels.
Thank you dambrosi, it seems that we are the few that have dreams of these ships returning,I know you are right that nothing is beyond repair, including that leaky faucet in everyone's kitchen!

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cruiseny
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posted 10-07-2002 04:17 PM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
About "beyond repair" - of course anything can be repaired, the issue is MONEY. We are talking about whether she is beyond ECONOMIC repair... It seems that BRBII is very troubled mechanically and she would need a huge refit to really get her fixed up for good.

I don't know about the other two ships but I suspect that they may be in somewhat better shape. For one thing, they were actually owned by Premier, wheras BRBII was chartered from the ill-fated Cammell Laird who apparently did a sort of band-aid job on her rather than really getting her fixed "the right way" once and for all.


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Premier
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posted 10-07-2002 06:27 PM      Profile for Premier     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm quite excited, I will TRY to board her.I wonder, if all ex- Premier ships are being inspected, is Premier trying to start back up or something??
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DAMBROSI
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posted 10-07-2002 10:09 PM      Profile for DAMBROSI   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you Commodore-Premier.
I hope you get to board her. There is a sign that says No Visitors. But maybe
you might be able to have the kind of influence to get
on board somehow. I would have loved to have gotten a
good look at her inside. But, that is'nt the case.
However, her hull still looks good, paint is still fresh looking as is the same
with the former FESTIVAL and the REMBRANDT.
I would be very interested in what you find out.
In the meantime, I find that many on this board don't care about my incident on the SENSATION this past
week and think I made this story up. NO WAY!!!! I've done over 50 cruises in the past 20 yrs. And what the
Maitre'd and Head Waiter did
on that cruise was UNEXCUSABLE.

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Commodore
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posted 10-08-2002 08:07 AM      Profile for Commodore     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I did read your incident and I think that what happened was awful.On the Inspiration our table assignment was the captain's table, so we had to give it up. All due respect to the captain, not so much with the maitre d'.
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cruiseny
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posted 10-08-2002 08:35 AM      Profile for cruiseny     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Commodore:
On the Inspiration our table assignment was the captain's table, so we had to give it up.

Why?


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flotsam'n jetsam
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posted 10-08-2002 11:59 AM      Profile for flotsam'n jetsam   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Talking about the Big REd Boat II, check out my T.S. Eugenio C page. Might remind how beautiful and graceful she used to be under Costa colors.

T.S. Eugenio C

ata


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eroller
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posted 10-08-2002 12:28 PM      Profile for eroller     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by flotsam'n jetsam:
Talking about the Big REd Boat II, check out my T.S. Eugenio C page. Might remind how beautiful and graceful she used to be under Costa colors.

T.S. Eugenio C

ata


Thanks for sharing the photos! I agree she is one of the most beautiful liners ever built! EUGENIO C was always a favorite of mine as a child (as were many of the Italian liners built in the 60's), and I collected what I could on her. I have a beautiful Costa brochure (from the early 70's) that was produced for all the ships at the time. No prices or itineraries, just many beautiful color photos and a very detailed deck plan. I have the same type of brochure for the FLAVIA, ANGELINA LAURO, FEDERICO C, ITALIA, ANDREA C and maybe a couple others I'm forgetting. I wish such brochures were printed today!

I almost had my chance to finally sail on EUGENIO C, at least in her role as EDINBURGH CASTLE. I didn't care, it was only for one night and I just wanted the chance to explore the ship. About a month before my sailing, it was canceled. I fear I will never have the chance again.

Ernie Roller
Atlanta


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