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Pollysmom
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posted 09-12-2001 05:39 PM      Profile for Pollysmom   Author's Homepage   Email Pollysmom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I cannot believe it; Radisson Seven Seas - a 'luxury' cruise line, has announced that they will NOT refund passengers' money if they choose to cancel after the New York tragedy!
So, anyone who is afraid to cruise or travel after this is 'out of luck'!
For God's sake, the dead aren't even buried yet and this 'luxury' cruise line is already causing more pain for people
This is a really sad thing to hear from a travel provider.
The airlines are not making anyone pay to 'rescedule'; why is Radisson so high and mighty?
I will not be a passenger any time soon!

Any thoughts on this from anyone?


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Amerikanis
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posted 09-12-2001 06:12 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Do not Panic!
The Attack is over, i think it is the Work of Islam Fanatics.

There is no Reason to cancel Cruises, you help nobody with this and it will not happen tomorrow again.

Better to find the Responsibles and eliminate them. This will help for the Future.

This was a big crime, but pictures like them from New York, we have in Germany every 2nd Night in 1944 or 1945, and the Country did not collaps for Bomb attacks on Civil targets...


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colt
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posted 09-12-2001 07:41 PM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I believe that travel insurance policies allow cancellations if certain events, such as the death or injury of a family member, has occurred. I don't believe that you can just cancel because of emotional distress.

I am not a TA. However, others who are may be able to apprise you regarding your rights.

My guess is that without travel cancellation insurance you are at the mercy of the goodwill and social conscience of the cruise line, who may not be American-owned or operated.

I believe there may be clauses in travel insurance related to a declaration of war which has not yet been made to my knowledge, and may actually be a travel insurance exclusion. I don't really know.

Good luck.


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recab
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posted 09-13-2001 07:00 AM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Amerikanis:
Do not Panic!

This was a big crime, but pictures like them from New York, we have in Germany every 2nd Night in 1944 or 1945, and the Country did not collaps for Bomb attacks on Civil targets...


I just can´t understand what WW II has to do with the crime in NYC? And if so, I think it would be fair to mention London and other cities outside Germany.


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Baker
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posted 09-13-2001 08:16 AM      Profile for Baker   Email Baker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Recab,
Thanks for the reminder that us English lived in shelters down our gardens in all kinds of weather whilst bombs rained down on us nightly for months in 1940/41 then duddlebugs in the later part of the war.
We were all bloody stupid then lets not be stupid again. B

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Amerikanis
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posted 09-13-2001 10:07 AM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I think, this is an modern form of War.
It is no war between Countries, as in former Times, but it is an Act, planned for an longer Time and perfectly done.

This is never an mental ill Person, it must be an Organisation with manpower, money and
an absolutely will to destroy including their own lives.


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gohaze
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posted 09-13-2001 10:29 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pollysmom's reaction is EXACTLY the sort of panic which the perpetrators hoped for. Maximum disruption to the normal routine of life in the US and indeed around the world.
The BEST reaction is for everyone to continue their normal life as much as possible, and show these psycopaths that "Terror in the name of God" will not destroy what is probably the last really Christian nation.
....peter

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colt
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posted 09-13-2001 02:18 PM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[/QB][/QUOTE]This was a big crime, but pictures like them from New York, we have in Germany every 2nd Night in 1944 or 1945, and the Country did not collaps for Bomb attacks on Civil targets...[/QB][/QUOTE]

Amerikanis--You are, of course, correct to suggest that there can be no comparison between what happened in Germany or London during WWII and what has just happened in New York and Washington. However, i do believe that this is the greatest security breach to the continental borders of US in our history. The belief that we in the US were somehow removed and "untouchable" by the forces of evil in the world today has been shattered, and turned into mythology, by these most recent horrific events. My prayers go out to the families and friends of those who were injured or perished. A special salute to the fire, police, medical and other emergency personnel who risked their lives trying to save others. God Bless them all.

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: colt ]


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recab
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posted 09-13-2001 03:32 PM      Profile for recab   Email recab   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Amerikanis:
[QB]I think, this is an modern form of War.

I do agree with you on that, Amerikanis. Still there is no resemblance with WW II and especially NOT with Germany 1944-45!


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Pollysmom
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posted 09-13-2001 05:43 PM      Profile for Pollysmom   Author's Homepage   Email Pollysmom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gohaze:
Pollysmom's reaction is EXACTLY the sort of panic which the perpetrators hoped for. Maximum disruption to the normal routine of life in the US and indeed around the world.
The BEST reaction is for everyone to continue their normal life as much as possible, and show these psycopaths that "Terror in the name of God" will not destroy what is probably the last really Christian nation.
....peter

Unfortunately, the meaning of my post was not taken correctly.

I merely stated that this particular cruise line was more worried about their money than keeping passengers.

Other lines, announced that they were giving their passengers free phone calls to home, free e-mail or faxes for as long as they needed.

Another even said that since the airlines were not running, all of their passengers were welcome to stay on board after their cruise ended, free of charge, for as long as it took.

The airlines' are all working to make life easier too.

If you took my statement for panic, you are mistaken. I'll be on the first flight out when the schedules get back to normal. And, my flight will be to another cruise line.


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Nautical Nigel
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posted 09-14-2001 11:26 AM      Profile for Nautical Nigel   Email Nautical Nigel   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'm not surprised at this reaction by Radisson. I stayed in their hotel at Quebec City and found them to be miserly, to say the least. Whereas most hotels allow complimentary tea & coffee you had to pay for it there. As a result I wouldn't touch them with a bargepole.

Like a lot of other organisations they are profiting from other people's misery.


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topgun
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posted 09-14-2001 11:44 AM      Profile for topgun     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Everyone seems to be pussyfooting around Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That didn't make sense, New York does not make sense, nor Dresden nor Coventry.
No action taking the lives of innocents does.The use of the expression "collateral injuries" falls into the same category.

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Green
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posted 09-14-2001 02:09 PM      Profile for Green     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Radisson's stand regarding refunds is, I believe, the right thing to do. People with insurance who cancel for 'just cause' (as defined in their Policy) will get their money back.

As has been said, cancelling just because of the tragedy is exactly what the terrorists would like to see - hard as it may be, everyone must carry on as normally as possible…….to do otherwise is admitting defeat.

HAL's decision re the Westerdam passengers is no more than could be expected. The ship is in a safe port and will remain there until air traffic resumes.

The guests on board the Westerdam are being advised that all who have air connections may stay on board at no charge until alternate travel arrangements can be made. Guests who remain on board will be responsible for their individual expenses, including telephone, beverages, shop purchases, etc. The company is sending a Passenger Programs team to Vancouver to assist guests with travel plans.

Passengers who expected to board the Westerdam on Sept. 13 have been advised that they will receive 100 percent future cruise credit and assistance with obtaining refunds for self made air travel arrangements.


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Amerikanis
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posted 09-14-2001 03:27 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The biggest Problem is not the loss of Lives for the American Society.

Traffic costs each Year much more than this.

The biggest Problem is mental. America feels safe and antouchable. Things like this are always in other countries.

The President wants to spend a big amount for Star Wars, Cruise Missile Defense and so on.

And now, you see, these Guys live in the middle of your Society and did not come with A-bombs or Missiles, nor with Biological or Chemical Weapons.

They come with knives and hijacked Planes.

It could be easy, to stop them, but Control for Inland-flights is not good in US.

The only way to stop this, is not to bomb other Countries, it is to find the Responsibles behind the Hijackers and the Supporters.

If they are found, it is not necessary to have courts, Jails, Judges and all these things.

Better finish the Job immediately when picked up...


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Darlene
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posted 09-15-2001 10:56 AM      Profile for Darlene     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just read the cruise news of 9/13/01 and was somewhat surprised that Princess Cruise Line was not mentioned. Does anyone know what they are doing with respect to cancellation or rescheduling?

A review of their website indicates business as usual - PP is rerouted to Boston from NY and they are busing passengers to and from NY airports. This is for the next week cruise; but, there is nothing for the week after. I spoke with my TA who says, "just hold on - wait and see". Concerning insurance, the policy that we have through RBC doesn't provide any reimbursement in cases of "war". However, it does provide for situations where the government issues a travel advisory. I checked the dept of foreign affairs (Canada) and there is no advisory for travel to the US.

I'm not sure what to do here???


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PamM
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posted 09-15-2001 12:26 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by Darlene:

A review of their website indicates business as usual - PP is rerouted to Boston from NY and they are busing passengers to and from NY airports. This is for the next week cruise; but, there is nothing for the week after

I doubt the cruiselines know what they're doing themselves yet, just waiting to see how things develop.

But you will find a comprehensive list of all the Itinerary Updates and Policy Statements from the various cruiselines at
Cruisediva.

Pam


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