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Thad
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posted 08-04-2001 01:22 PM      Profile for Thad   Email Thad   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Found some images of the model for the new ship for United States Line. God, it is an unfortunately unattractive ship. What a waste. They could have built something so beautiful. I guess I should be happy that they are building any ship here in the States.



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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-04-2001 01:37 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thad, great pictures of an ugly ship. The stern is ugly and the bow is ugly. I do like the upper most superstructure (sky deck): Funnel, pools, observation lounge - all with a slightly Art-Deco style.

I think they need to re-thing the number of proper life boats, they mainly seem to be inflatables!

I hope the interiors better than the exterior?


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gohaze
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posted 08-04-2001 07:52 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm...obviously one can't tell from the model, but I don't think those are lifeboats - they're launches. Because they are going to be what we call Home Trade vessels their life saving equipment requirements are different. Chutes or slides with inflateable platforms are permitted,as on ferries,and the only boats are shepherd or rescue boats which are usually RIBs these days.
...peter

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Marina
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posted 08-05-2001 03:38 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, anything can happen, a model ist just amodel. Building has been posponed again, yard asking for more money. well what else is new with us- shipbuilding capabilities ??
Look at the bow. Those poor pax booking into the expensive forward suits, when in rough waters, think they are in the empire state elevator!! also, the speed will have to be reduced as not to sustain damage to the hull. this was the case with the ms Scandinavia, now Viking Serenade, which had her bow heavily damaged on a run from N.Y. down to Freeport. Eventually she had to go into drydock and have the bow section lenghtened and I believe also some work was done to the bulbuous nose ??
The "boxy shape" of those ships may be dictated by CAD designs and the pre-fab cabins.
Interior any better? for sure and anything is better than those JOE FARCAS ABORTIONS, or??
With the financial difficulties of ACV, it is very questionable at the moment, whetehr these ships will indeed be build??

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 08-05-2001 05:33 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by gohaze:
Because they are going to be what we call Home Trade vessels their life saving equipment requirements are different.

Thanks Pete, you are a gold mine of nautical information!


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whatley trio
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posted 08-07-2001 07:02 AM      Profile for whatley trio   Email whatley trio   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for the pictures, but I will have to agree, the ship does not look that great.

I have heard that building has been suspended due to lack of cash with the parent company.


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Marina
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posted 08-07-2001 09:16 AM      Profile for Marina   Email Marina   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
whatley trio,
you may be right, this was on the wire:
Tuesday August 7, 12:33 am Eastern Time
Sen. Hopeful Ingalls to Honor Contract
Sen. Trent Lott Is Hopeful That Ingalls Shipbuilding Will Honor Cruise Ship Contract
By JOHN PORRETTO
AP Business Writer
JACKSON, Miss. (AP) -- Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., says he's hopeful that Ingalls Shipbuilding in his hometown of Pascagoula will be able to deliver on a billion-dollar contract to build a pair of 1,900-passenger cruise ships.

One of his Senate colleagues, however, is skeptical.

Ingalls, a subsidiary of Los Angeles-based defense contractor Northrop Grumman, began work in June 2000 on the largest cruise ship ever built in the United States -- and the first such project in the country in more than 40 years.

Ingalls' contract with Miami-based American Classic Voyages Co. [NasdaqNM:AMCV - news] started a new line of business for a company that has made its mark for more than 60 years building destroyers and other ships for the Navy.

Asked three weeks ago about any delays in the cruise ship project, an Ingalls spokesman told The Associated Press he knew of nothing out of the ordinary.

Ingalls spokesman Den Knecht declined Monday to discuss the status of the cruise ship construction. He referred to an earlier statement by Northrop Grumman spokesman Randy Belote that the first ship is ``41 percent complete,'' if the total design and physical construction are taken into account.

According to a July 11 letter from Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., to President Bush, Ingalls is as much as 18 months behind schedule, and ``the shipyard and American Classic Voyages are crying foul.''

Lott, who appeared at a luncheon in Pascagoula on Monday, said afterward that he had spoken to top executives with Northrop Grumman and Ingalls and ``they're working very hard to go forward with this program.''

The Senate minority leader said Northrop Grumman was working with American Classic Voyages and ``financial groups to get this ship built.''

``I'm hopeful,'' Lott said.

Fran Sevcik, vice president of corporate communications for the cruise ship company, said Monday she could not discuss the timeframe or dollar amount involved in the delay.

``We're engaged in ongoing discussions to determine the status of the project,'' Sevcik said. ``We remain optimistic about the yard honoring the terms of the contract.''

The success or failure of the project could affect the livelihood of American Classic, the reputation of Ingalls as a commercial shipbuilder and future support for a major U.S. loan guarantee program for the domestic shipbuilding industry.

McCain's letter to the president was not about the cruise ship project in particular, but about his opposition to the federal Title XI Maritime Guaranteed Loan Program, which is administered by the U.S. Maritime Administration.

McCain urged Bush to end federal assistance for the program, which he called an unnecessary corporate subsidy to the shipbuilding industry.

``Our nation has a strong and proud maritime history that I fear is all but lost due to a dependence on government programs that do not foster a progressive, competitive attitude in what has clearly become a global market,'' McCain said. ``This is especially true of our large shipyards.''

McCain said the Ingalls-ACV project, which is guaranteed through the Title XI program, could cost taxpayers more than $1 billion if it ``does not turn around very soon.''

Lott said he supports the guaranteed loan program and that funding was in place for it to continue. He added, ``Senator McCain has never been supportive of the maritime industry.''

Philip C. Calian, chief executive of American Classic Voyages, told The Associated Press in March that building cruise ships was new territory for the Mississippi shipyard, but ``we take Ingalls at their word that they're ready and willing and able to complete the job.''

With an option for a third vessel, the contract's potential value is $1.4 billion. American Classic Voyages plans to use the ships in the Hawaiian Islands.

Ingalls has said it expects to finish the first ship for American Classic Voyages in 2003, and the second a year later.

Making cruise ships is not completely foreign to Ingalls, the state's largest private employer with some 10,000 workers.

The company delivered the last two passenger cruise ships built in the United States -- the SS Brasil and the SS Argentina -- in 1958. Both are still sailing.

Cruise ship construction in the United States began fading after World War II because of cheaper foreign labor and European shipyard subsidies. By 1967, foreign-built ships dominated the cruise industry and American ports.


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Rex
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posted 08-08-2001 08:50 AM      Profile for Rex     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, they are not only ugly, but a dollar short and a day late...now the big cruise lines like Celebrity, Carnival, Princess and others have now invaded the Hawaiian market and will continue to do so...
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Barryboat
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posted 08-08-2001 03:10 PM      Profile for Barryboat   Author's Homepage   Email Barryboat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I heard rumor that one of these ships could be named ssAmerica.
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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 08-08-2001 11:00 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
It would not surprise me if one of the ships is named AMERICA. I think that it would be an appropriate name for a new American flag ship, but she should have an M.V. as a prefix not S.S. She is not a steam ship but a motor vessel!
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titanicsteve
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posted 09-10-2001 02:04 PM      Profile for titanicsteve   Email titanicsteve   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi I rather like that ship! I like the colours, the shape, the size and the layout!! Why does everyone dislike it? Anyway I really wanna buy that model!!£££££££££££££$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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Amerikanis
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posted 09-10-2001 02:41 PM      Profile for Amerikanis   Email Amerikanis   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
We should think about an Competition in bringing out the most ugly ship.

This Company has all chances, to win the first Price...


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Ðraikar
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posted 09-10-2001 11:01 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Are there any QM2 models out yet ?That new ship for United States Line should be painted in the old lines color of a black (dark blue) hull red funnels with white and a blue top.
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Ðraikar
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posted 09-21-2001 03:54 PM      Profile for Ðraikar   Email Ðraikar   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
From internet
September 21 American Classic Voyages Co. announced today that an agreement has been reached, endorsed by the U.S. Maritime Administration with the support of U.S. Secretary of Transportation Norman Y. Mineta, that will enable the uninterrupted construction of two 1,900-passenger cruise ships in the US. ICA the two vessels under gropued Rumoured to be named UNITED STATES and AMERder the title "Project America" which is a pilot project aimed at reinvigorating U.S.-flag cruise ship construction and operation. The two ships are in the early stages of construction at Northrop Grumman's Ingalls Operations.

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