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Rex
First Class Passenger
Member # 1113

posted 08-03-2001 04:24 PM

Can you build a ship in the United States and register it in another country or not...who knows?

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Marina
First Class Passenger
Member # 1664

posted 08-04-2001 03:07 AM

Of course you can, but why then build a ship in the US ??
US zards have time and again proven that they can not deliver a ship on time and on budget. Recent testemony to this, the cost over runs on Cape May Light. US yards are accostomed to build for uncle sam and those few us owners still building in the us, for example tankers, are only doing so, because they must build their ships in the us in oder to obtain the us flag and thus allowing them to carry crude from alaska to us ports.
as the cost of building in the us is much higher than in other countries, the us is oboiged to heavily subsidies the building cost. The Jones Act is the culprit here and the us maritime union has a strong lobby. Remember the Love Boat series Gopher??? He went into politicy, supported by the unions to lobby against lifting the Jones Act.
Places such as Seattle for example are loosing several hundre millions in income, as cruise ships must sail from/to Vancouver, where as most would actually preferred to sail from Seattle. As you know most passenegrs who join a vessel in Vancouver have to be bused from Seatac airport, due to limited airlift capacity in Vancouver.
US Senatos argue, the us still needs the Jones Act to protect us jobs and shipping.
But lets look at the facts:
How many us sailors are left?
How many ships fly the us flag?
What does the subsidies cost the us tax payer?
How come more us owned ships are registered in Bermudas than in the us?
How come greece has a commercial fleet many times larger than the us ??
Why is the us pushing for free trade, but not opening its borders to foreign flag vessels?????????
Free trade as proposed by the us seems always a one way street. that is Free is only so, if good for the us ??
Your comments please.

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whatley trio
Just Boarded
Member # 2139

posted 08-07-2001 07:09 AM

Point is very well said and taken!

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sympatico
First Class Passenger
Member # 797

posted 08-07-2001 08:39 AM

Locarno - you state "As you know most passenegrs who join a vessel in Vancouver have to be bused from Seatac airport, due to limited airlift capacity in Vancouver."

What are you talking about? Vancouver is an International Airport - they have expanded in the last few years and they certainly do not have "limited airlift capacity".

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Marina
First Class Passenger
Member # 1664

posted 08-07-2001 09:06 AM

Sympatico,
yes that is very true, but not as many direct flight connections as the cruise lines need, nor arrivals that meet the ships schedule. also crusie lines offer teh cheapest flights, those that are not direct non-stop flights, so the best choice - not from the passengrs but from the cruise line eprspective - seems to be Seattle.
Sorry old boy,
I LOVE VANCOUVER, to me one of the finest cities in the world (not tomention it's friendly people and lovly lasses
cheers

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Rex
First Class Passenger
Member # 1113

posted 08-07-2001 02:37 PM

Hmmmm....

And is it a coincidence that when AMCV decided to build two megaships for the Hawaiian market, the major players have beat them to the punch (Star/NCL's NORWEGIAN STAR, Carnival's SPIRIT, etc). How will this affect AMCV's goals. All they have left is the ancient INDEPENDENCE and the PATRIOT, of which I have heard nothing but horror stories.

The reality is that we have never been a major player in the passenger/cruise ship industry - and the unions and bureaucrats are to blame...

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