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shopaholic44
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posted 06-25-2001 03:16 PM      Profile for shopaholic44   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I'd like to correspond with any passenger who was onboard the Norwegian Sky Alaskan cruise May 19, 2001. The ship almost came to a complete capsize TWICE...resulting in MANY injuries and possibly worse (I saw one woman who looked dead, etc.). It was a beautiful, sunny calm day when the ship almost turned over, and the unofficial explanation has been an autopilot malfunction. I've been on 7 cruises and this was by far the best ever until this incredible tragedy happened. I haven't been able to get "back to normal" ever since and feel some post-traumatic stuff going on, in addition to a sciatic nerve injury. It's weird...almost like I've been through a war..and it sure looked like it, too....chaos everywhere. If you were there, let's talk and compare experiences and observations.
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-25-2001 03:33 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Welcome aboard, shopaholic44. It must have been a terrible experience. I was not aware that the Sky was anywhere near capsizing? Although I can image that it felt like it?

I recall reading the Queen Mary often rolled by 45 Degrees, in rough seas. Initially her furniture was not screwed down and pianos and tables slid from port to starboard! More hand rails were quickly added.


Your profile is not very informative - what do you have to hide, I wonder?

[ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: Malcolm ]


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PamM
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posted 06-25-2001 04:47 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I am sorry you feel traumatised Shopaholic, bit I am not aware that Sky was anywhere near capsizing. The list has been reported as 8 degrees with the whole incident being over in 2 minutes. Worse can happen in rough weather. If there was any doubt whatsoever as to her seaworthiness she would not have been permitted to continue sailing.

Pam


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shopaholic44
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posted 06-25-2001 05:10 PM      Profile for shopaholic44   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
PamM: You're just repeating what was told to the media...too bad you weren't there to experience what REALLY happened.
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joe at travelpage
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posted 06-25-2001 05:53 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
shopaholic44,

I am sure everyone on this board is most interested in hearing from someone who was actually there. Please tell us what it was like.

Where were you when the incident occurred, were you hurt?

Joe at TravelPage.com


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PamM
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posted 06-25-2001 06:53 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No I wasn't there Shopaholic, and yes I have read the media reports <which I take with a pinch of salt>. I have also read another report from someone else on board too. I just feel 'tragedy' is rather a strong description for an incident where no lives were lost.

Pam


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shopaholic44
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posted 06-25-2001 07:46 PM      Profile for shopaholic44   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, guys, I just needed to talk to others who'd been through it...guess I'm on the wrong board for that. It looks like if you had a bad experience (the only bad experience I've ever had on a cruise, at that) it's best not to bring it up here. Sorry to even HINT at dampening your enthusiasm for cruising...it usually IS a wonderful experience. Bye!
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joe at travelpage
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posted 06-25-2001 08:10 PM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
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nzmike
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posted 06-25-2001 09:07 PM      Profile for nzmike   Email nzmike   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Ships tend to be designed (assuming correct centre of gravity maintenance) so that they will go over 45 degrees before capsizing. Remember: 45 degrees is when the wall and floor (for landlubbers!) are at the same angle. The press reports certainly don't indicate that kind of list. Even under full rudder at maximum speed the ship wouldn't approach that kind of angle. A ship that rolls even 10 degrees will feel very disconcerting but its more perception than any kind of actual danger
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Frank X. Prudent
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posted 06-25-2001 11:49 PM      Profile for Frank X. Prudent   Email Frank X. Prudent   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by shopaholic44:
...what REALLY happened.

Then what did REALLY happen? I am honestly interested in what occurred the both times you reported that the ship nearly turned turtle.


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 06-26-2001 05:15 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by joe at travelpage:"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Wow...that's a first! The bard quoted on CruiseTalk. Trust Joe to introduce some British culture.


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trailhiker
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posted 06-27-2001 07:16 AM      Profile for trailhiker   Email trailhiker   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
This is strange! I'm surprized more passengers haven't written about this near capsize. I've read all the boards and can't find anything at all. Usually things like this would be all over the internet cruise forums. Could shopaholic be exagerating a tiny bit? I'm not at all saying there wasn't a huge mess on the ship, and lots of damage too, but nearly capsizing? Tsk Tsk!!!
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gohaze
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posted 06-27-2001 12:31 PM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I may be wrong, but this strikes me as a bit of fishing for a "bottom-feeder" to try a little sueing.
First I've heard of TWO near "COMPLETE" capsizings...woman looked dead..."incredible tragedy" aw come on. I very much doubt if she even got as far as 10 degrees...just 3 or 4 is enough to get people going these days.
"post traumatic stuff" just about sums it up!!!!
....peter

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Gerry
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posted 06-27-2001 03:56 PM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
NZMike and Gohaze are right. Passenger ships are so stable these days that a small roll of 3 or 4 degrees feels like a lot more. As far as this ocurrance is concerned, if the rudder went hard over for whatever reason, even at full speed, this is exactly what we do on sea trials and lists never go above 15 degrees or so otherwise they're back in the yard to get sorted out. A decent, stable ship can go much further and still be quite safe. QE2 for example could list to 55 degrees and still come back to vertical. That would be standing on the bulkheads and looking at the deck !
I am a bit suspicious of our new friends motives here as others have intimated. We don't really need any ambulance chasers....

[ 06-27-2001: Message edited by: Gerry ]


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Grant
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posted 06-27-2001 09:59 PM      Profile for Grant   Email Grant   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
While neither the US or Canadian investigations have released any real details on their investigations, both have stated that while the ship did indeed take on a severe list or heel, it was nowhere near a dangerous degree. "No more that what could be expected under emergency evasive actions". "While dicomforting and unsettling to passengers, there was never any danger of an upset". These are 2 of the quotes of investigators recently published.
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lnero
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posted 07-03-2001 05:59 PM      Profile for lnero   Email lnero   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Wow, after reading this email I am a little concerned. I am supposed to be on this ship (Norwegian Sky) for the New Year's cruise. Is everything okay with it now?
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Jean
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posted 07-03-2001 07:49 PM      Profile for Jean     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Dear Inero-

Are you going on the NCL SKY or SUN? I am going ont he NCL Sun over New Years. Let me know and maybe we can exchange information...
Jean


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ocngypz
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posted 07-03-2001 10:52 PM      Profile for ocngypz   Email ocngypz   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
You can find postings in newsgroups about this "evasive" action which took place.
The gentleman who reported the incident gave a rather credible eyewitness account. He and his wife were onboard with their two young sons.

[ 07-03-2001: Message edited by: ocngypz ]


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colt
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posted 07-04-2001 09:14 AM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
quote:
Originally posted by ocngypz:
You can find postings in newsgroups about this "evasive" action which took place.
The gentleman who reported the incident gave a rather credible eyewitness account. He and his wife were onboard with their two young sons.

[ 07-03-2001: Message edited by: ocngypz ]


Please provide complete URL for the "newsgroup" where this can be found. Thanks.


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joe at travelpage
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posted 07-04-2001 11:28 AM      Profile for joe at travelpage   Author's Homepage   Email joe at travelpage   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's the posting from the rec.travel.cruises newsgroup.

Date: 2001-05-20 15:08:10 PST

I just got home and couldn't wait to read the posting about the "incident" just to find out what the heck happened. I was there and still don't know what happened.

Just to clarify, the two different versions of what happened:
1) One of the two rudders malfunctioned
2) We were dodging fishing boats

After the incident, the Capt. announced on the PA system that it was a rudder malfunction. I don't know where the fishing boat story started. However I first heard it from a crew member who phoned home (Seattle) and was told by her parents that they had heard it on TV news. But like I say, who knows where they (the tv people) heard it from.

I never heard from anyone on the ship how many were injured, but one of the people who had been in the hospital (broken leg) told me that it was filled and there were about 40 people with minor injuries waiting outside the hospital to be examimed.

When we arrived in Victoria, there were two ambulances and a small SUV with the word ambulance on the side, waiting for us. By the time the Gangway was in position, there were 9 ambulances, the SUV and a fire truck. The fire truck had me concerned, as I have no idea why it was there.

Several of the injured were in the swimming pool when the ship made an abrupt turn to port. They were thrown from the pool with much of the water (remember the laws of inertia, the water wanted to continue in a straight line. Also, the starboard side of the pool dropped). They slide to the railing and anything not bolted down came after them, (including people in wheelchairs). I was not on the pool deck at the time of the incident, but got the above info from one of the waitresses that was working there at that time. She also told me that one lady fell from her chair, hit here head on the deck, knocking her out. She then slid to the starboard railing and her head was under water. The waitress pulled her out and she seemed to be OK except for a possible concussion.

Now, I'll tell you what I saw.

We were in the 4 Seasons restaurant having lunch (Deck 5 midship). My wife & I were seated in the rear of the restraurant on the Port side. It was about 5 or 10 minutes after 2 PM. I was actually looking out the window when we made a sharp left turn and I saw that the Port side of the ship was rising. I didn't think a lot of it until it kept getting higher and higher and then I could no longer see the water (while looking out the window). I looked to the other side of the dining room and all I could see out of the windows on the right side was water (at least it was the Top of Water). The ship did seem to settle for a couple seconds and then it started again. On the second rising, still higher & higher, everything slid off of the tables, chairs started moving and everyone moved to the port (left) side of the ship after one of the waiters started yelling for them to do so. I wish I had his name as this seems to have been the correct move to try to avoid being hit by more of the objects heading for the right side of the ship.

I honestly thought that the ship was going over, and my concerns were with my kids (twins age 12) rather than my wife & I. They were not with us & I had no idea where they were. Well eventually the ship settled back to a normal keel and the engines were shut off. I'm not positive, but I think the engines may have shut off prior to the ship returning to a normal float.

Before the ship had completely righted itself, both my wife & I headed out to search to ship for our children. Ever try to run on a slightly listing deck that is covered in all manner of food? I saw a couple of people slip and fall, and if anyone is familiar with the Sky, the model of the ship (must be about 6 ft long) that is at the entrance, was on the floor and the glass case it was in shattered. It must have fallen when the ship righted itself as it was on the starboard side of the entrance.

We went to our cabin (also on deck 5) to check for kids (not there) and then we went to the pool deck to search, as the boys like the buffet up there. No kids there either, run thru the pool area (our kids not there either). It was at this time that calls started on the PA system for "Code A to the pool" "Code A to the casino" "Code A to the atrium" etc. I figured that Code A is NCL speak for medical aide. Eventually they started simply stating things like "Stretcher needed in the Video Arcade". We went back to our cabin hoping the kids had come back. Still not in the cabin so we headed for the kids club on deck 7. Not there so we headed back to toward the atrium area and found one of the boys there, and uninjured. We took him back to the cabin and he told us that he didn't know where his brother was now but that just before the listing started he had headed to deck 6 to jog.

Now Deck 6 is the lifeboat deck and outside so we started to somewhat panic. He's not a big kid and could easily slide under the railing. Got there, Mom headed one direction on the track and me the other. We met about half way around without him. I did notice as I ran past the stern that the engines were running.

Well to make and end to this story we finally found him and he was also OK. He had been just getting ready to exit onto the track near the photo sales area when the ship begin to rock and roll. He had the good sense not to open the door. And the reason we couldn't find him was because he had gone into the library to help pick up books. And believe me, a library is the last place I would have ever looked for him. We took him back to our cabin and his brother had is life jacket on. I must admit that I was so relieved at finding son #2 that I lost it.

On my dash thru the Atrium. I noticed a man at the top of the stairs on deck 7 down and being assisted (from the way he held his hip I would guess he was the fractured pelvis).

There had been about 7 kids who regularly attended the teen program (including my 2). And of the 7, 3 were injured to one degree or another. One had a broken leg (suffered on the pool deck), another had what was thought to be a broken leg (turned out at the hospital in Victoria it was badly sprained). Another had been in the Video Arcade and was pinned down by a machine that fell on him (I was told that they immobilized him including a neck brace). I never found out what the extent of his injuries were.

I really don't know how many degrees the ship listed, but was told by a crewmen that we came within a foot or two of having water enter the portholes on deck 2. He also said that the bridge had indeed been concerned that we were going over (please let me emphasize that this was not a bridge crewman or even engineering/so who knows if it's true). I will not reveal their names or positions in case NCL sees this.

Another injury that I can confirm was to a woman that we had lunch with the previous day. She has a fractured shoulder.

I was also told by a person who was in the casino that the roulette table overturned (started to slide, then the legs grabbed on the carpet, then over she went). I did see that almost all the bottles and glasses in the bars had shattered (the ones set up for use). However it didn't take long to get the bars restocked. ;-)

They closed the casino, so I couldn't see in there. I did peak into the gift stores - WHAT A MESS. However within about 1.5 hrs they had the small gift shop on deck 6 reopened. The other duty free shops remained closed.

I didn't think to grab my digital camera until just before everything was cleaned up so I only have a couple of pics (this was about the only time on the cruise I didn't have my camera with me). However I did exchange my email address with someone who was in the casino during the list and hopefully I'll have some photos soon. I'll post whatever I can when I find a place to send them. Sorry, I don't have a web page set up.

Maybe I missed it, but in all of the announcements made from the bridge, I don't recall hearing the words "I'm sorry for---". However as I was running around the ship, looking for my boys, I was about ready to knock out the next crew member who made the statement to me "nothing to worry about. Everything is normal".

I didn't sleep well last night as my senses were on edge and everytime the ship
wold roll at all I was wide awake.

I'm still not sure we have heard the real cause of this problem and hope to read the Coast Guard report whenever it comes out.

Other than thinking that my entire family was going to die, this was a pleasant cruise.

Would I cruise again with NCL? Depends on what the CG determines. Would I cruise again on the SKY (NCLs newest ship)? Probably not. I'm wondering how qualified their engineering staff is. I did find it ironic that one of the people seated with us for lunch, was commenting how unsafe Carnival and Royal Caribbean are (the only other 2 cruise lines I've sailed) and how safe NCL is, at the exact moment the listing started.

-Monte


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Green
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quote:
Originally posted by shopaholic44:
Well, guys, I just needed to talk to others who'd been through it...guess I'm on the wrong board for that. It looks like if you had a bad experience (the only bad experience I've ever had on a cruise, at that) it's best not to bring it up here. Sorry to even HINT at dampening your enthusiasm for cruising...it usually IS a wonderful experience. Bye!

Being a 'None' Person is not conducive to
opening up any kind of dialogue.

Like Joe said "The lady doth protest too much, methinks"

Thank heaven the twins turned up safe and sound - I'm sure they all spent a very harrowing time.


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Pascal
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posted 02-08-2006 03:10 PM      Profile for Pascal     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks to Joe , I have just dicovered this topic. I wonder if, 5 years later we know exactly what happened to this ship and how much she listed ?
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PamM
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posted 02-08-2006 03:27 PM      Profile for PamM   Author's Homepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Pascal the USCG report is here. " The vessel healed to starboard at least 8 degrees while rudder movements fluctuated......."

Pam


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Thanks Pam !
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