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binkey36
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posted 04-11-2001 07:14 PM      Profile for binkey36   Author's Homepage   Email binkey36   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
New interior photos of the Spirit have been released from the shipyard. The interior looks alot different than the ones previously posted! Check it out!
www.masa-yards.fi
Go to News and then Photographs...scroll down to the thumbnails of the Spirit..and there ya go!

Opinion anyone? Or is it just me who sees a tremendous difference?


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AJL
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posted 04-12-2001 04:56 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Well, I can't see any other difference but that they have cleaned the places up before photographing them and when I took the pics they hadn't cleaned her. Otherwise the pics look 100% the same (well, the quality is of course a little bit better). And, the photographer has also photographed the places that look suitable for the public. And that he has done because he works for Masa and he isn't impartial! I am impartial what comes to her interiors because I do not work either for Masa Yards or Carnival. And that's it!

AJL

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binkey36
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posted 04-12-2001 06:33 AM      Profile for binkey36   Author's Homepage   Email binkey36   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
AJL,

I certainly appreciate the photographs that you posted. I don't know what the difference was in the photographs...lighting perhaps? But I did notice a tremendous difference. I don't think it is a matter of being impartial. Although, I have gathered from previous posts that you aren't particularly found of Carnival. But photographs are different. They are not a matter of impartiality. They are simply a captured vision of the real thing. Did the lighting seem different to you in the Masa photographs?


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posted 04-12-2001 07:51 AM      Profile for rustaveli   Author's Homepage   Email rustaveli   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
In my opinion it is just a question of taste, I personally don't like the Spirit interiors as well as all Carnival ships, but this is my point of vieuw.
But I also believe that AJL captured with his photos the reality of it and I don't think the same is for the photos of Masa photographs...they must sell a product in the best way they can... (but I also don't find so many difference)
Anyway some people could find Spirit interiors great some people not, that's not so important, probably people who like her interiors will never take a cruise on the ships I like... just a question of taste.


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AJL
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posted 04-12-2001 08:24 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
binkey36, the main thing IS being impartial!
And yes, of course the lighting was different, because the ship wasn't completed (and still isn't) when I was there.

quote: (by binkey36): "They are simply a captured vision of the real thing."

I disagree with you, because they don't show the WHOLE reality of her, my photos do.

AJL


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posted 04-12-2001 10:08 AM      Profile for binkey36   Author's Homepage   Email binkey36   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Whew...Ajl...I guess I pressed a button with that one. I guess the only way I will know for sure...is to sail on her. When I do, I let you know what I think and maybe post some pictures also. Impartial? We will see.
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posted 04-12-2001 11:05 AM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
No, you didn't push any button... maybe I should have said "My photos show a larger part of the reality", not the whole... when I think that, it's impossible to show the whole, because it would require thousands of pics.

Have a nice cruise and have fun!

Regards
AJL


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nathan
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posted 04-12-2001 01:44 PM      Profile for nathan     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I can see a difference. The Mesa pictures show more of an overall room selection, whereas AJL's pictures show more smaller details.

AJL -- I think your pictures were great, and I appreciate you sharing them with us.

I do, however, think that the ship looks much nicer in the Mesa pictures. I think the other ones tend to show some of the wilder details, which without seeing the overall room tends to lead to a distorted impression.


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AJL
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posted 04-12-2001 02:21 PM      Profile for AJL   Author's Homepage   Email AJL   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
First of all, this will be my last post about this subject.

Nathan: How could I say this... Well, if you order a brochure let's say from Royal Olympic Cruises, the pics of their ship (for example the World Renaissance) will look absolutely great. But, it's also possible that there are some surprises what you can't see in the brochure, like example worn safety equipment and chewing gum on the walls. She was even suspended from traffic because of her safety equipment. This was just an example.

What I want to say is that the company that owns a ship (or any other company with any other kind of product) will surely want to show the best sides about their product - not anything that would make the public say: "I don't like that."

The photos on Masa's page are from the most ordinary looking places - nothing out of the ordinary or boisterous. In fact, those pics present the parts of the Spirit that I personally like the most, like I have said, the Gym, the dining room, the show room, and the atrium under the red glass dome. Someone may say that those aren't "ordinary places", but in the Spirit they are, those places what you can't see on the Masa's page are really boisterous and extraordinary.

By the way, the places you can see on Masa's page you can see also on my page, so I have taken pics from those places, not just of the wild ones.

Regards
AJL

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posted 04-12-2001 03:27 PM      Profile for nathan     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thank you AJL. I do understand your point. Brochure pictures (which is the type the Masa pics are) always look better than the real thing. My point, however, was that your pictures, for the most part, show the small details of the ship, whereas the pics from Masa show more of a big picture. You should not interpret that as a criticism of your pictures. The quality of your pictures, as well as the flare you have for noticing and showing details, is wonderful, and far better than pictures I would take. Nevertheless, the comments from the pictures you took have been very negative about the new ship, which perhaps is justified, perhaps is not. However, I think that the Masa pictures show the ship in a different light, and I suspect that those who disliked the Spirit because of seeing your pics should also look at the Masa pictures.


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posted 04-12-2001 08:47 PM      Profile for binkey36   Author's Homepage   Email binkey36   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
I really didn't mean to start a controversy! Thank you Nathan for your observation....I think you clarified what I was trying to express. Thank you AJL for your best wishes on the cruise. I really will let you know what I think (objectively) when I return. I guess some things are better experienced in person...including cruise ships! The more cruise ships I can experience, the happier I am!
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