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Justine
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posted 10-07-2000 02:50 AM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
The Caronia seems to have good specials for South America next January. Cannot find too many reviews and pictures. Any fans of this ship out there who could fill me in?

Three questions. Is the promenade deck a full wraparound?

Are there many single cabins? I was told there was. The cruise line is advertising big savings (two for one) and no savings for singles. Isn't that proof that there is no such thing as two for one? What if the price is good and one traveller is a no show? I could live with that.
Finally, is that ship stable like the Rembrandt was? (Not financially of course) The Rembrandt was the most pleasant ship in rough seas. There are many sea days in the cruise I'm looking at.

Hope you Caronia fans give me some answers.

Thanks,
Justine


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-07-2000 05:21 AM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine, I've not cruised on Caronia. However she was formerly called 'Vistafjord'. There are a couple of reviews on her under her previous identity under the 'Fav cruise ships' section of this we site. Under the 'Cruise Lines and Ships profile' there is also a review which gives a glowing report - 5 stars!

The other Bible (Berlitz Guide) rates her as 4.5 stars, which is very good indeed! There are 376 cabins with a maximum passenger capacity of 732 and 400 crew. There are 73 single cabins. Berlitz rates her amount of teak deck space and wrap around prom as expansive. She is well maintained, stable and quiet in operation.

Sounds perfect!

Cunard's Vistafjord (above):

Transformed into Caronia (above): One ship, two different paint jobs!

The Caronia now matches the QE2 (above):.

(Pictures borrowed from Travelpage and cunard.com)

[This message has been edited by Malcolm (edited 10-07-2000).]


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colt
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posted 10-07-2000 10:03 AM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine--I have never sailed on the Caronia; however, have regularly read high praise for her; particularly, when she was called the Vistafjord. The name change occurred, i believe, after Cunard was taken over by Carnival and she had undergone a major refurbishment. I am sure if you called Cunard's toll free number they could tell you about the promenade deck, or your travel agent may have a brochure which might show what it is like. On their web page, i noticed that they are offering 2 for 1 on her Carribean cruise, but only saw mention of $150 shipboard credit for South America. If this trip takes you to Capetown, South Africa, i believe, that these are very popular cruises. Good luck, and i hope if you go that you have smoothe seas (tho i like a little bit of "roughness to make you appreciate that you are actually at sea). P.S. I now have noticed that our Scottish seafarer, Malcolm, has been good enough to post a photo.
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gohaze
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posted 10-07-2000 10:53 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi...when we were on the Vistafjord we found that stability wise she was quite tender - in other words she had a slow roll and tended to lean on the turns...enough to dump glasses in the Lido.
Earlier this year, after her transfer from Bahamas Registry, there was some mention in the media that the British Authorities had required measures to be taken regarding stability and that's why she had to go to Germany to the shipyard. Also some shell plating to be renewed.
Perhaps Gerry will tell us about it.
...peter

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Scottylass
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posted 10-07-2000 02:17 PM      Profile for Scottylass   Email Scottylass   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcolm,

Colt thinks your "Scottish", thats the best laugh I will have all weekend.

Cheers
M.

[This message has been edited by Scottylass (edited 10-07-2000).]


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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-07-2000 03:01 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Colt, you have just insulted the Scotts! Although I had red hair as a child, I'm from and live in London.

I think Scottylass may be from Scottland?


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PauloMestre
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posted 10-07-2000 04:29 PM      Profile for PauloMestre   Email PauloMestre   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Here's some pictures I took of Caronia III during a call on Lisbon. Unfortunately the sky was cloudy and so the light was a little poor.


Caronia docked


Caronia funnel


Clearing the dock


Her stern, showing the pool area

Click on the pictures for a larger version.

I heard some comments about the stability problems of Caronia and she was expected to receive spoonsons at waterline but I'm not sure if this was done (at least they aren't visible) or if the problem was resolved differently. Can anyone put some light on this matter?

Regards
Paulo Mestre

[This message has been edited by PauloMestre (edited 10-07-2000).]


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Justine
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posted 10-07-2000 09:44 PM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks for all the great pictures and the info everyone. I will certainly persue this. Looks like another single cruise now. My husband (aka rubber sea legs) spotted the comment about stability and chickened out of yet another cruise. Although he will probably fly to meet me so we can see Peru together. Story of my life. Wherever I cruise, my husband meets me at the port of disembarkation. My poor little travel agent will be so disappointed again when I tell her I found another ship older than she is. She thinks I do it on purpose.

By the way, what a difference a change of colour makes. The Caronia looks like a grand lady now.


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colt
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posted 10-08-2000 11:04 AM      Profile for colt     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
To Malcolm and Scottylass--It just goes to show how little i know. Should it not be considered a compliment to mistake someone for being Scottish? (P.S. My dear wife is from London, if that earns this Yank any grace in your eyes, Malcolm?)
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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-08-2000 05:56 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Colt, I'm not offended at all. However, I must say that I have had better compliments than being called Scottish!

Fantastic pictures Paulo!


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NAL
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posted 10-08-2000 09:05 PM      Profile for NAL     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine....

I traveled on the Vistafjord three times
when it was with its original owners,
Norwegian-America Line, and once when she
was with Cunard as Vistafjord.....not as
Caronia. She does have many single cabins,
though not as many as she did when Norwegian.
The singles are very small, but cozy. The
singles made into doubles are a joke.
I never thought her a terribly good seaboat
even before all the cabins and suites were
added topside. Originally she carried 500-
550 max, now almost 700 on many cruises
which to me means rather crowded.
I honestly cannot remember if her prom goes
all the way round....I think not. A deck
plan will answer that. If the price is
right and a cabin is available suitable for
a single, take it and join your husband in
Peru. Let us know your decision....we are
interested.


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Justine
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posted 10-09-2000 08:12 PM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Thanks NAL.
The deck plans I saw in the brochure seem to indicate some modifications or blockage of the prom deck fwd. The pictures of the exterior of the ship appear to have a wraparound. That's why I was asking former passengers because deck plans are not always accurate. For instance on the Maasdam I once chose a specific stateroom mid ship that was next to a hallway giving me immedidate access to the promenade, and located my parents on the same deck about 12 staterooms away on the outside. Imagine my dismay when I found out the halway mid-ship had been transformed in linen closet. The shortcut to my parents stateroom now seemed like a mile away. They still think I did it on purpose. LOL.

As for the Caronia, I'm still working on it. Whether it be S. America or somewhere else, I haven't decided. I certainly will post it when I decide. My TA wants to know why I dont pick regular ships like regular people.


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Scottylass
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posted 10-10-2000 02:30 AM      Profile for Scottylass   Email Scottylass   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine

I would look into the stability thing a bit more. I read somewhere that after Cunard did all its promoting and re-launching from Liverpool I believe, all the dignatories on board were overcome by seasickness. It did go into dry dock quite soon after that, so maybe the problems were fixed. Your best best is try and get a hold of someone who has been on it recently, and hopefully when it was quite rough seas.

Ofcourse you may be a very good sailor and the stability thing may not be a factor in your choice.

Cheers
M.


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gohaze
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posted 10-10-2000 09:44 AM      Profile for gohaze   Email gohaze   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Where's Gerry? He should be able to put this one to rest.
...peter

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Gerry
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posted 10-10-2000 11:10 AM      Profile for Gerry     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 

Hi Peter,

I was refraining from commenting because I am biased.....
I think Caronia is a beautiful, traditional ship and is marketed as such. The stability question has now been resolved. On the change of flag we adapted the ship to come into line with future legislation by adapting tank and loadline arrangements etc. She is now much improved. The ship has an elegance which is rare these days. There is a wraparound prom, protected at the forward end by doors. She also has a very content crew which does show in the service.


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Justine
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posted 10-10-2000 11:54 AM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My goodness you people. I am a woman who usually snappy decisions . With your help I have been pondering over this for more than a week. (Enjoying every minute of it of course). Would this stability factor explain why Cunard makes museum hotels out of their old ships? My hubby says he would have no problem spending a week in the Queen Mary anytime.
Then as I was exploring this site for comments on the British quality of service on Board to add weight to my arguments, I came across the famous postings regarding the differences between Cunard and P&O. You people make my life really exciting.

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bostom
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posted 10-13-2000 06:48 AM      Profile for bostom   Email bostom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine et al:

I'm sailing on her next month Southampton to Ft. Lauderdale so I'll let you know as a transatlantic crossing in November ought to answer the stability questions.

I share your frustration at the lack of first hand information regarding CARONIA, particularly since her makeover at the end of last year. So far have seen nothing about recent experiences onboard (and been booked since February so have had plenty of time to search.)

If it comes close to the experiences we had on the QE2 in 98 and 99 I'm sure it'll be fine but on those (World cruise segments) we were in the Queens Grill so expected (and largely got) an unforgettable experience. As the CARONIA is one class rather than the QE2's three or four we wonder if the service is the same across the board or varies, even if in less obvious ways, between cabin grades.

Not that it matters much...


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Justine
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posted 10-13-2000 02:11 PM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bostom;
I am looking forward to your review when you return. I really want to experience this ship. Let me know if you notice many solo cruisers on board. For many reasons I won't debate here, I have no wish to sail the QE2 but I would certainly consider the Caronia.
Have a wonderful crossing.

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Malcolm @ cruisepage
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posted 10-13-2000 05:55 PM      Profile for Malcolm @ cruisepage     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Hi Justine, glad that you are enjoying the debates. The only risk is information overload!

Cunards unique selling point is indeed their heritage.

It still amazes me how one person will think that a cruise is fantastic, and another person on the very same cruise, regards it as a disaster. It's all rather subjective!

I'm not really a QE2 'fan' or 'critic', but I am interested why you would not cruise on her?


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Justine
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posted 10-13-2000 11:46 PM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Malcom you are trying to sneak in another thread here and I wont bite. Please note I did not say " never". I'm sure I'll get plenty of other opportunities to say why I havent been convinced to sail the QE2 yet. There are many things about her I would like to witness but there is one big thing I I'd rather live without. Now just watch, in a few years when Cunard announces she's being drydocked I will go nuts trying to get passage on her before she quits sailing.
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bostom
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posted 10-14-2000 09:46 AM      Profile for bostom   Email bostom   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine:

Allow me to hazard a few guesses. What puts you off the QE2? The class system? The prices? The smokers? The elegant nursing home atmosphere?

The class system thing is overblown. Yes, the Queens Grill pax have a private lounge to which one can invite non-QG passengers and for which privilege the Queens Grill passenger must sign the check. It's small, the servers get to know you, the snacks are tasty and it's a lovely place to read and gaze at the sea, far from all the activity in other rooms during the day. The high teas seem nicer as well, better food I guess.

The prices are high but so is the ambiance.
There are probably better bargains out there but none I know of on the last true liner in service. Likewise my experience has been that the passengers, from the lowest inside cabins to the sundeck suites, are nicer people for being onboard. (And nice people when on land, as well.) I got to hang out with an 80 year duchess at the pool one day as well as a (relatively) poor widow from New Zealand I met in the laundromat. Both were helping me iron after a week and got to be friendly with one another.

The Grill itself is divided into smoking and non and the two non-smokers among the ten at our five tables for two on our "shelf," a raised platform along the starboard side, raved about the ventilation saying it was so good they didn't mind dining with us nicotine addicts. All other public areas are similarly divided and ventilated.

On the World Cruise, the age demographic is high. Really, really high. God's waiting room high. Who else has weeks and months to travel, not to mention the wherewithal to afford the cost? That said, I found my elderly shipmates lovely, pretty lively, and good company. The disco isn't swinging but that's the tradeoff for the refined, if slightly sleepy, atmosphere.

You might love her, you might hate her, but she's one of a kind. I'm in my mid-40's and am glad to have had the experience. Pretty soon it'll no longer exist.

Best, Tom


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posted 10-14-2000 01:50 PM      Profile for Cambodge   Email Cambodge   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
My wife and I traveled several times on QE2 when it was a two-class ship. On our first voyage we paid, what was then, a modest stipend to eat (sorry, 'dine') at The Queen's Grill. This option was not available on subsequent voyages. But the then-first-class dining room was superb.

The thing that galls me now is that the former first class cabins, for which we paid, what I would consider on a US Civil Service moderate-grade-level salary, reasonable prices, are now offered at stratospheric prices. I have the old tickets and recently queried Cunard how much cabin XXX or YYY would now be. Jeeeze!

As previously certified snobs, we are reluctant to (you should excuse the observation) "descend" into the former tourist class resturants, which we know do not now have the ("Would you care for a delicious rack of lamb tonight, sir? There are a few back there.") amenities.

Now Mauritania Class is now the only mode that our current finances will permit.

The meals on QE2 in the 1970s were our major raison d'etre for our devotion to Cunard.

But I have noted several comments in these pages that, along with international crews and (ugh) midnight buffets, its former shining culinary glory has been adjusted to the cruising masses - e.g. significantly diminished!

Thus our interest in Caronia. Does Cunard or "Caribbean Schlock" rule?

And yes, I am already pre-qualified as a snob, so do not bother repeating the charge!

[This message has been edited by Cambodge (edited 10-14-2000).]


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posted 10-16-2000 12:31 PM      Profile for Michelechat   Email Michelechat   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Justine,
I have sailed twice on the Caronia, when she was the Vistafjord. I was on a transatlantic crossing of 21 days and most recently on a Panama Canal passage of 14 days. There were several days on both voyages when seas were rough and the ship did beautifully. I, who was seasick on the QE2 for 5 days, never experienced a twinge. On one trip, my former spouse, who has severe balance problems, never experienced a problem either.

The Vistafjord (Caronia) is a dream ship..not too large, fabulous staff, extraordinary food, and true civility on board. I would drop everything in a minute to cruise her again. Her ratings are well deserved and my only concern is Carnival's willingness to continue the high cost of maintaining that level of service. You can't go wrong booking her. Have a wonderful trip. By the way, the last trip I took solo, and her single accomodations are great..comfortable, and cozy.


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Justine
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posted 10-17-2000 04:51 AM      Profile for Justine   Email Justine   Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Bostom, yor're pretty close in your observations. Funny, for a long time the class system appealed to me. Now that I could venture a trip in first class, it really annoys me. I think all ships should treat all passengers first class. If a ship cant fill all their space with "first class" my point is made. You may have noticed that I abstained from the snobbery on cruises topic.
What I seek in a cruise is the refinement which was legendary on the QE2. It seems to have vanished in recent years and I have yet to hear that the good things about that ship are consistent. Green has summed it up very well on another thread. Her observations match many others I have heard recently. Everyone is warning me to stay away from the QE2. I'm so looking forward to a TransAtlantic Cruise that if I ever decide to do so on the QE2 I will be the first to acknowledge if I was wrong to be so concerned. In all fairness, I cannot criticize the ship whitout having experienced it but I am certainly paying attention to others.

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posted 10-17-2000 05:55 AM      Profile for hallsuk2     Send New Private Message      Edit/Delete Post  Reply With Quote 
Just returned from a 12 night cruise to the Canaries,Madeira and Lisbon our first experience of the Q.E.2. We had an outside cabin on four deck(M class) dining in the Mauretania restaurant.The cabin was fine if a little noisy in the rough seas we experienced returning to Southampton across the Bay of Biscay in a force nine gale.We found the food and service in the Mauretania Restaurant to be generally very good.Maybe something to do with it being the Captain's table.We did try to eat off menu one night by ordering a plain steak but were told this was not possible without prior notice.The other slight inconvenience was the dressing up every night on what was a holiday cruise.I can dress up with the best of them but six formal nights and six nights jacket and tie I thought a bit much.I think they could have relaxed the atmosphere a couple of times when we in port to midnight.Generally a good experience but a little too stuffy for my tastes.Lets relax the dress code a little without losing what the ship is noted for.
P.S.If Bill Domres from Phoenix,Arixona is out there and originally e-mailed on the subject of the Q.E.2 would like to e-mail again I will try to answer your questions personally.I have tried to e-mail you but can get no reply with your original e-mail address.

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